From williamk at dut.ac.za  Mon Aug  2 06:33:13 2010
From: williamk at dut.ac.za (William Walter Kinghorn)
Date: Mon Aug  2 06:34:05 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] Announcing the release of QGIS 1.5 'Tethys'
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimYNgtufSXN_2=DXxmyuJ8ZCbGQSTx872bnLfzE@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimYNgtufSXN_2=DXxmyuJ8ZCbGQSTx872bnLfzE@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <81DF9FB413A687439AC309E7E914C8E417123DC67F@SMLSMBXSTF01.dut.ac.za>

Hi Tim,

Thanks Tim to you and the other QGIS developers

William
________________________________________
From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Tim Sutton [tim@linfiniti.com]
Sent: 31 July 2010 22:27
To: qgis-community; QGIS Developer Mailing List; qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org; qgis-user; Africa local chapter discussions
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] Announcing the release of QGIS 1.5 'Tethys'

We are very pleased to announce the release of QGIS 1.5.0 'Tethys'.

Binary and source code packages are available at:

http://download.qgis.org

This release includes many great new features to make your QGIS
experience even better than ever before. This release also contains
many bug fixes that should improve stability over previous releases.
For a detailed run down on what is new in this release, take a look at
our visual changelog (
http://www.qgis.org/en/component/content/article/108.html ).

Along with the release of QGIS 1.5.0, the QGIS Community Team is hard
at work on an updated QGIS Users' Guide version 1.5. The guide will be
available in the near future - we will post announcements when it is
available.

QGIS is a completely volunteer driven project, and is the work of a
dedicated team of developers, documenters and supporters. We extend
our thanks and gratitude for the many, many hours people have
contributed to make this release happen.

If you would like to make a donation or sponsor our project, please
visit <a href="http://www.qgis.org/en/sponsorship.html">our
sponsorship page</a>. QGIS is Free software and you are under no
obligation to do so.

Happy QGIS'ing!

--
Tim Sutton - QGIS Project Steering Committee Member (Release  Manager)
==============================================
Visit http://linfiniti.com to find out about:
 * QGIS programming services
 * Mapserver and PostGIS based hosting plans
 * FOSS Consulting Services
Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net
==============================================
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Africa@lists.osgeo.org
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From sollyvuso at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 06:40:53 2010
From: sollyvuso at gmail.com (solly Vuso)
Date: Mon Aug  2 06:40:55 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] Announcing the release of QGIS 1.5 'Tethys'
In-Reply-To: <81DF9FB413A687439AC309E7E914C8E417123DC67F@SMLSMBXSTF01.dut.ac.za>
References: <AANLkTimYNgtufSXN_2=DXxmyuJ8ZCbGQSTx872bnLfzE@mail.gmail.com>
	<81DF9FB413A687439AC309E7E914C8E417123DC67F@SMLSMBXSTF01.dut.ac.za>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin4HaxrVdiSj-JDTFzAqm38DysQyG_9H0iB9Lt+@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Guys

Thank you for the good work

I wish I can know the added features, like opening Mr Sid



On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 12:33 PM, William Walter Kinghorn <williamk@dut.ac.za
> wrote:

> Hi Tim,
>
> Thanks Tim to you and the other QGIS developers
>
> William
> ________________________________________
> From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On
> Behalf Of Tim Sutton [tim@linfiniti.com]
> Sent: 31 July 2010 22:27
> To: qgis-community; QGIS Developer Mailing List; qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org;
> qgis-user; Africa local chapter discussions
> Subject: [OSGeo Africa] Announcing the release of QGIS 1.5 'Tethys'
>
> We are very pleased to announce the release of QGIS 1.5.0 'Tethys'.
>
> Binary and source code packages are available at:
>
> http://download.qgis.org
>
> This release includes many great new features to make your QGIS
> experience even better than ever before. This release also contains
> many bug fixes that should improve stability over previous releases.
> For a detailed run down on what is new in this release, take a look at
> our visual changelog (
> http://www.qgis.org/en/component/content/article/108.html ).
>
> Along with the release of QGIS 1.5.0, the QGIS Community Team is hard
> at work on an updated QGIS Users' Guide version 1.5. The guide will be
> available in the near future - we will post announcements when it is
> available.
>
> QGIS is a completely volunteer driven project, and is the work of a
> dedicated team of developers, documenters and supporters. We extend
> our thanks and gratitude for the many, many hours people have
> contributed to make this release happen.
>
> If you would like to make a donation or sponsor our project, please
> visit <a href="http://www.qgis.org/en/sponsorship.html">our
> sponsorship page</a>. QGIS is Free software and you are under no
> obligation to do so.
>
> Happy QGIS'ing!
>
> --
> Tim Sutton - QGIS Project Steering Committee Member (Release  Manager)
> ==============================================
> Visit http://linfiniti.com to find out about:
>  * QGIS programming services
>  * Mapserver and PostGIS based hosting plans
>  * FOSS Consulting Services
> Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net
> ==============================================
> _______________________________________________
> Africa mailing list
> Africa@lists.osgeo.org
> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa
>
> "This e-mail is subject to our Disclaimer, to view click
> http://www.dut.ac.za"
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> Africa@lists.osgeo.org
> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa
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-- 
Best Regards

Solly Vuso
Cell:073 3068 170
Fax:086 555 1270

I may not know what tomorrow holds for me but I do know who holds ma
tomorrow.....
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From Johannes.Akiwumi at unep.org  Mon Aug  2 09:05:09 2010
From: Johannes.Akiwumi at unep.org (Johannes Akiwumi)
Date: Mon Aug  2 09:05:16 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] Johannes Akiwumi/UNEP/NBO/UNO is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF7C30D59C.9D0A8968-ON43257773.0047E230-43257773.0047E230@unon.org>


I will be out of the office starting  02/08/2010 and will not return until
23/08/2010.

I will respond to your message when I return.
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From tim at linfiniti.com  Mon Aug  2 10:35:43 2010
From: tim at linfiniti.com (Tim Sutton)
Date: Mon Aug  2 10:36:06 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] Announcing the release of QGIS 1.5 'Tethys'
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin4HaxrVdiSj-JDTFzAqm38DysQyG_9H0iB9Lt+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimYNgtufSXN_2=DXxmyuJ8ZCbGQSTx872bnLfzE@mail.gmail.com> 
	<81DF9FB413A687439AC309E7E914C8E417123DC67F@SMLSMBXSTF01.dut.ac.za> 
	<AANLkTin4HaxrVdiSj-JDTFzAqm38DysQyG_9H0iB9Lt+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikVaqAqkgUnqJYC32=TuyO16tvjzDL0=+874sKr@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Mr Sid support is provided via the GDAL abstraction layer. In this
release it could not be packaged in for technical reasons. I suggest
to write to the QGIS users mailing list and / or  file a request to
have it included on our tracker.

http://trac.qgis.org

Regards

Tim

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 12:40 PM, solly Vuso <sollyvuso@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys
> Thank you for the good work
>
> I wish I can know the added features, like opening Mr Sid
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 12:33 PM, William Walter Kinghorn
> <williamk@dut.ac.za> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> Thanks Tim to you and the other QGIS developers
>>
>> William
>> ________________________________________
>> From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tim Sutton [tim@linfiniti.com]
>> Sent: 31 July 2010 22:27
>> To: qgis-community; QGIS Developer Mailing List; qgis-psc@lists.osgeo.org;
>> qgis-user; Africa local chapter discussions
>> Subject: [OSGeo Africa] Announcing the release of QGIS 1.5 'Tethys'
>>
>> We are very pleased to announce the release of QGIS 1.5.0 'Tethys'.
>>
>> Binary and source code packages are available at:
>>
>> http://download.qgis.org
>>
>> This release includes many great new features to make your QGIS
>> experience even better than ever before. This release also contains
>> many bug fixes that should improve stability over previous releases.
>> For a detailed run down on what is new in this release, take a look at
>> our visual changelog (
>> http://www.qgis.org/en/component/content/article/108.html ).
>>
>> Along with the release of QGIS 1.5.0, the QGIS Community Team is hard
>> at work on an updated QGIS Users' Guide version 1.5. The guide will be
>> available in the near future - we will post announcements when it is
>> available.
>>
>> QGIS is a completely volunteer driven project, and is the work of a
>> dedicated team of developers, documenters and supporters. We extend
>> our thanks and gratitude for the many, many hours people have
>> contributed to make this release happen.
>>
>> If you would like to make a donation or sponsor our project, please
>> visit <a href="http://www.qgis.org/en/sponsorship.html">our
>> sponsorship page</a>. QGIS is Free software and you are under no
>> obligation to do so.
>>
>> Happy QGIS'ing!
>>
>> --
>> Tim Sutton - QGIS Project Steering Committee Member (Release ?Manager)
>> ==============================================
>> Visit http://linfiniti.com to find out about:
>> ?* QGIS programming services
>> ?* Mapserver and PostGIS based hosting plans
>> ?* FOSS Consulting Services
>> Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net
>> ==============================================
>> _______________________________________________
>> Africa mailing list
>> Africa@lists.osgeo.org
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa
>>
>> "This e-mail is subject to our Disclaimer, to view click
>> http://www.dut.ac.za"
>> _______________________________________________
>> Africa mailing list
>> Africa@lists.osgeo.org
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards
>
> Solly Vuso
> Cell:073 3068 170
> Fax:086 555 1270
>
> I may not know what tomorrow holds for me but I do know who holds ma
> tomorrow.....
>
> _______________________________________________
> Africa mailing list
> Africa@lists.osgeo.org
> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa
>
>



-- 
Tim Sutton - QGIS Project Steering Committee Member (Release? Manager)
==============================================
Visit http://linfiniti.com to find out about:
?* QGIS programming services
?* Mapserver and PostGIS based hosting plans
?* FOSS Consulting Services
Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net
==============================================
From gavinjfleming at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 16:01:08 2010
From: gavinjfleming at gmail.com (Gavin)
Date: Mon Aug  2 16:01:40 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] [Fwd: Spatial Data Infrastructure Act,
 2003  - Committee on Spatial Information (CSI)]
Message-ID: <1280779268.2449.71.camel@study.local>

This is aimed at GISSA members but all GIS'ers in SA should be aware and
can contribute. From an OSGeo perspective, our voice on open source,
open data and open standards needs to be heard.
----------

GISSA HAS BEEN ASKED TO SUBMIT A POSITION PAPER ON THE ROLES AND
RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE COMMITTEE ON SPATIAL INFORMATION (CSI).

We want your support to compile this paper.  If we dont give our
contribution, our needs will not be catered for in the carrying out of
the committees activities.

BACKGROUND

Spatial Data Infrastructure Act, 2003  - Committee on Spatial
Information (CSI)

The Spatial Data Infrastructure Act, 2003 was passed by Parliament in
December 2003. The President assented to the act in January 2004. The
aim of the Spatial Data Infrastructure Act, 2003 (Act No.54 of 2003) is
to provide for the establishment of the South African Spatial Data
Infrastructure (SASDI) in order to regulate the collection, management,
maintenance, integration, distribution and use of spatial/geographic
information. The Act will promote the efficient and effective use of the
State's spatial/geographic information resources by the sharing of the
information. It will give effect to the constitutional right of access
to information held by the State, as well as information held by other
persons, if the information is required for the exercise or protection
of rights.

The Act establishes the following:
1)	The South African Spatial data infrastructure (SASDI), which is the
national (organs of state), technical (networks, computers, hard disks,
web servers, etc.) and policy (pricing policy for organs of state,
custodianship policy and information flow policy) framework, whose main
objectives are to facilitate the capture and cooperation among organs of
state, and the promotion of use and access to spatial information for
development planning.
2)	The Committee for Spatial information (CSI), who will oversee and
make decisions based on  issues regarding the use of spatial
information, including the determination of standards and prescriptions
on the use of spatial information
3)	Provide for the capturing of metadata in an electronic metadata
catalogue that will help eliminate duplication in the capture of spatial
information

>From the act

The CSI will do the following:
-	advise the Minister/DG/organ of state on issues related to the capture
and use of spatial information
-	facilitate an environment for the efficient collection of spatial
information 
-	monitor and manage the SASDI
-	evaluate findings provided by the Technical, Policy and Liaison sub
committees and make recommendations based on the results of these
findings
-	promote awareness of its activities through the Liaison sub committee
compile an annual report of its activities within 3 months after the end
of the financial year.

We would like you to comment on possible roles and responsibilities of
the Committee on Spatial Information (CSI).  

What do you see as their roles and responsibilities?

Can you please provide your commends before 12 August 2010!

For more information see:

http://www.gissa.org.za/activities/government/committee-for-spatial-information
http://www.gissa.org.za/activities/government/spatial-data-infrastructure
http://www.gissa.org.za/activities/government/sdi-act

-- 
Gavin Fleming
t: 0218620670
c: 0845965680
f: 0866164820
Paarl
South Africa
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From tshavhuyo8 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  3 04:41:37 2010
From: tshavhuyo8 at gmail.com (Tshavhuyo Tshivhula)
Date: Tue Aug  3 04:41:41 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] Re: Africa Digest, Vol 43, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <1282.196.210.222.228.1280338069.squirrel@webmail.lantic.net>
References: <1282.196.210.222.228.1280338069.squirrel@webmail.lantic.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=HwYxnnPr94WFN1S-dLGZ-daVtOmemnm3vkDp_@mail.gmail.com>

morning, GIS users please help me finish my assingment, the topic is the use
and benefits  of
GIS in environmental management. please send me anything related. thanks and
enjoy the day.


On 7/28/10, Brendon Wolff-Piggott <brendon@integratedgeodata.co.za> wrote:
>
> Thanks William, but that was the 2007 Annual Report.  I attach the link to
> the SA Innovation Survey below for interest.  It is very general, and
> there is no mention of FOSS/FLOSS.
>
> Still, I think it would be worthwhile trying to get the committee to see
> the development and innovation benefits of FOSS.  Is anyone else
> interested in getting involved?
>
>
> http://213.253.134.43/oecd/pdfs/browseit/9207091E.PDF
>
>
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:19:00 +0200
> > From: William Walter Kinghorn <williamk@dut.ac.za>
> > Subject: RE: [OSGeo Africa] DST Ministerial Committee Terms of
> >       Reference
> > To: Africa local chapter discussions <africa@lists.osgeo.org>
> > Message-ID:
> >       <81DF9FB413A687439AC309E7E914C8E417123DC666@SMLSMBXSTF01.dut.ac.za
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Hi Brendon,
> >
> > Sorry, that is the only doc that I received
> >
> > did a search on Google "OECD report (2007)"
> >
> > found this : www.oecd.org/dataoecd/34/33/38528123.pdf
> >
> > hopefully this is what you are looking for
> >
> > William
> > ________________________________________
> > From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On
> > Behalf Of Brendon Wolff-Piggott [brendon@integratedgeodata.co.za]
> > Sent: 28 July 2010 16:15
> > To: africa@lists.osgeo.org
> > Subject: [OSGeo Africa] DST Ministerial Committee Terms of Reference
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I had a quick look at this, and it says that the committee should check
> > whether the OECD report's recommendations have been implemented.  The EU
> > is
> > strong on open source, and I thought maybe the report mentions recommends
> > it.
> >
> > I tried to find the OECD report (2007) that it references.  I can't find
> > it
> > on the DST website, or using google.  Does anyone have a copy?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Brendon
> >
> >
> > --
> > This message has been scanned for viruses and
> > dangerous content by Pinpoint, and is
> > believed to be clean.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Africa mailing list
> > Africa@lists.osgeo.org
> > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa
> >
> > "This e-mail is subject to our Disclaimer, to view click
> > http://www.dut.ac.za"
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Africa mailing list
> > Africa@lists.osgeo.org
> > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa
> >
> >
> > End of Africa Digest, Vol 43, Issue 5
> > *************************************
> >
>
>
> --
> Cell: 083-2850930
> Voice Message/Fax: 083-118-2850930
> Email: brendon@integratedgeodata.co.za
> Web:  www.integratedgeodata.co.za
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From tim at linfiniti.com  Tue Aug  3 04:47:57 2010
From: tim at linfiniti.com (Tim Sutton)
Date: Tue Aug  3 04:48:19 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] Re: Africa Digest, Vol 43, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=HwYxnnPr94WFN1S-dLGZ-daVtOmemnm3vkDp_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1282.196.210.222.228.1280338069.squirrel@webmail.lantic.net> 
	<AANLkTi=HwYxnnPr94WFN1S-dLGZ-daVtOmemnm3vkDp_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ViP+xLNE=S-W5YBZ17D7G7VLkiJg48KQ=Ugh+@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Tshavhuyo

I can state uncategorically that your message is unlikely to receive
any useful response (except maybe this one). You are in effect trying
to crowd source your assignment without doing any work yourself. It
would be much better if you went and did your own primary research,
construct your hypothesis, formulate your arguments, devise a
discussion and then come back to this list if you have highly specific
questions that demonstrate what research you have already done, what
problems you have encountered, what you have tried to solve them, and
which specific things you need help on.

Regards

Tim



On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Tshavhuyo Tshivhula
<tshavhuyo8@gmail.com> wrote:
> morning, GIS users please help me finish my assingment, the topic is the use
> and benefits ?of
> GIS in environmental management. please send me anything related. thanks and
> enjoy the day.
>
>
> On 7/28/10, Brendon Wolff-Piggott <brendon@integratedgeodata.co.za> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks William, but that was the 2007 Annual Report.??I attach the link to
>> the SA Innovation Survey below for interest.??It is very general, and
>> there is no mention of FOSS/FLOSS.
>>
>> Still, I think it would be worthwhile trying to get the committee to see
>> the development and innovation benefits of FOSS.??Is anyone else
>> interested in getting involved?
>>
>>
>> http://213.253.134.43/oecd/pdfs/browseit/9207091E.PDF
>>
>>
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:19:00 +0200
>> > From: William Walter Kinghorn <williamk@dut.ac.za>
>> > Subject: RE: [OSGeo Africa] DST Ministerial Committee Terms of
>> >?????? Reference
>> > To: Africa local chapter discussions <africa@lists.osgeo.org>
>> > Message-ID:
>> >
>> > <81DF9FB413A687439AC309E7E914C8E417123DC666@SMLSMBXSTF01.dut.ac.za>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> >
>> > Hi Brendon,
>> >
>> > Sorry, that is the only doc that I received
>> >
>> > did a search on Google "OECD report (2007)"
>> >
>> > found this : www.oecd.org/dataoecd/34/33/38528123.pdf
>> >
>> > hopefully this is what you are looking for
>> >
>> > William
>> > ________________________________________
>> > From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Brendon Wolff-Piggott [brendon@integratedgeodata.co.za]
>> > Sent: 28 July 2010 16:15
>> > To: africa@lists.osgeo.org
>> > Subject: [OSGeo Africa] DST Ministerial Committee Terms of Reference
>> >
>> > Hi all
>> >
>> > I had a quick look at this, and it says that the committee should check
>> > whether the OECD report's recommendations have been implemented.??The EU
>> > is
>> > strong on open source, and I thought maybe the report mentions
>> > recommends
>> > it.
>> >
>> > I tried to find the OECD report (2007) that it references.??I can't find
>> > it
>> > on the DST website, or using google.??Does anyone have a copy?
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Brendon
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > This message has been scanned for viruses and
>> > dangerous content by Pinpoint, and is
>> > believed to be clean.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Africa mailing list
>> > Africa@lists.osgeo.org
>> > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa
>> >
>> > "This e-mail is subject to our Disclaimer, to view click
>> > http://www.dut.ac.za"
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Africa mailing list
>> > Africa@lists.osgeo.org
>> > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa
>> >
>> >
>> > End of Africa Digest, Vol 43, Issue 5
>> > *************************************
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cell: 083-2850930
>> Voice Message/Fax: 083-118-2850930
>> Email: brendon@integratedgeodata.co.za
>> Web:??www.integratedgeodata.co.za
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Africa mailing list
>> Africa@lists.osgeo.org
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Africa mailing list
> Africa@lists.osgeo.org
> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa
>
>



-- 
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==============================================
Visit http://linfiniti.com to find out about:
?* QGIS programming services
?* Mapserver and PostGIS based hosting plans
?* FOSS Consulting Services
Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net
==============================================
From Mick.Wilson at unep.org  Tue Aug  3 09:03:28 2010
From: Mick.Wilson at unep.org (Mick Wilson)
Date: Tue Aug  3 09:03:39 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] Mick Wilson/UNEP/NBO/UNO is in Mombasa on mission
Message-ID: <OF7EA6135F.C8489E34-ON43257774.0047BAB6-43257774.0047BAB6@unon.org>


I will be out of the office starting  08/03/2010 and will not return until
08/04/2010.

I am in Mombasa for the UNESCO/IOC workshop seeking interoperability
opportunities in the West Indian Ocean region. I will get back to you on
Wednesday.

From halazamasuku at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  3 09:22:07 2010
From: halazamasuku at yahoo.com (halazamasuku@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Aug  3 09:29:11 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa]  Africa Digest, Vol 43, Issue 5
Message-ID: <554742.26391.qm@smtp103-mob.biz.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

This is what is great with our group - humbling clarity! The help is there for good intent! All the best with your studies. Great response, Tim.

Regards

Vusi

Sent from my Nokia phone
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Sutton
Sent:  03/08/2010 10:47:57
Subject:  Re: [OSGeo Africa] Re: Africa Digest, Vol 43, Issue 5

Dear Tshavhuyo

I can state uncategorically that your message is unlikely to receive
any useful response (except maybe this one). You are in effect trying
to crowd source your assignment without doing any work yourself. It
would be much better if you went and did your own primary research,
construct your hypothesis, formulate your arguments, devise a
discussion and then come back to this list if you have highly specific
questions that demonstrate what research you have already done, what
problems you have encountered, what you have tried to solve them, and
which specific things you need help on.

Regards

Tim



On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Tshavhuyo Tshivhula
<tshavhuyo8@gmail.com> wrote:
> morning, GIS users please help me finish my assingment, the topic is the use
> and benefits ?of
> GIS in environmental management. please send me anything related. thanks and
> enjoy the day.
>
>
> On 7/28/10, Brendon Wolff-Piggott <brendon@integratedgeodata.co.za> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks William, but that was the 2007 Annual Report.??I attach the link to
>> the SA Innovation Survey below for interest.??It is very general, and
>> there is no mention of FOSS/FLOSS.
>>
>> Still, I think it would be worthwhile trying to get the committee to see
>> the development and innovation benefits of FOSS.??Is anyone else
>> interested in getting involved?
>>
>>
>> http://213.253.134.43/oecd/pdfs/browseit/9207091E.PDF
>>
>>
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:19:00 +0200
>> > From: William Walter Kinghorn <williamk@dut.ac.za>
>> > Subject: RE: [OSGeo Africa] DST Ministerial Committee Terms of
>> >?????? Reference
>> > To: Africa local chapter discussions <africa@lists.osgeo.org>
>> > Message-ID:
>> >
>> > <81DF9FB413A687439AC309E7E914C8E417123DC666@SMLSMBXSTF01.dut.ac.za>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> >
>> > Hi Brendon,
>> >
>> > Sorry, that is the only doc that I received
>> >
>> > did a search on Google "OECD report (2007)"
>> >
>> > found this : www.oecd.org/dataoecd/34/33/38528123.pdf
>> >
>> > hopefully this is what you are looking for
>> >
>> > William
>> > ________________________________________
>> > From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Brendon Wolff-Piggott [brendon@integratedgeodata.co.za]
>> > Sent: 28 July 2010 16:15
>> > To: africa@lists.osgeo.org
>> > Subject: [OSGeo Africa] DST Ministerial Committee Terms of Reference
>> >
>> > Hi all
>> >
>> > I had a quick look at this, and it says that the committee should check
>> > whether the OECD report's recommendations have been implemented.??The EU
>> > is
>> > strong on open source, and I thought maybe the report mentions
>> > recommends
>> > it.
>> >
>> > I tried to find the OECD report (2007) that it references.??I can't find
>> > it
>> > on the DST website, or using google.??Does anyone have a copy?
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Brendon
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > This message has been scanned for viruses and
>> > dangerous content by Pinpoint, and is
>> > believed to be clean.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Africa mailing list
>> > Africa@lists.osgeo.org
>> > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa
>> >
>> > "This e-mail is subject to our Disclaimer, to view click
>> > http://www.dut.ac.za"
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Africa mailing list
>> > Africa@lists.osgeo.org
>> > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa
>> >
>> >
>> > End of Africa Digest, Vol 43, Issue 5
>> > *************************************
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cell: 083-2850930
>> Voice Message/Fax: 083-118-2850930
>> Email: brendon@integratedgeodata.co.za
>> Web:??www.integratedgeodata.co.za
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Africa mailing list
>> Africa@lists.osgeo.org
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Africa mailing list
> Africa@lists.osgeo.org
> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa
>
>



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==============================================
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From suzic at africoast.com  Tue Aug  3 09:38:47 2010
From: suzic at africoast.com (Suzi Crossley)
Date: Tue Aug  3 10:19:20 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] Re: Africa Digest, Vol 43, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=ViP+xLNE=S-W5YBZ17D7G7VLkiJg48KQ=Ugh+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAZuly+UI08kaWYstS/ZlTpMKAAAAQAAAA7Xdn6/bdyEim2yCPiBysLwEAAAAA@africoast.com>

Way to go Tim - I'm so tired of doing everyone's masters degrees


Dear Tshavhuyo

I can state uncategorically that your message is unlikely to receive
any useful response (except maybe this one). You are in effect trying
to crowd source your assignment without doing any work yourself. It
would be much better if you went and did your own primary research,
construct your hypothesis, formulate your arguments, devise a
discussion and then come back to this list if you have highly specific
questions that demonstrate what research you have already done, what
problems you have encountered, what you have tried to solve them, and
which specific things you need help on.

Regards

Tim



On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Tshavhuyo Tshivhula
<tshavhuyo8@gmail.com> wrote:
> morning, GIS users please help me finish my assingment, the topic is the
use
> and benefits ?of
> GIS in environmental management. please send me anything related. thanks
and
> enjoy the day.
>
>
> On 7/28/10, Brendon Wolff-Piggott <brendon@integratedgeodata.co.za> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks William, but that was the 2007 Annual Report.??I attach the link
to
>> the SA Innovation Survey below for interest.??It is very general, and
>> there is no mention of FOSS/FLOSS.
>>
>> Still, I think it would be worthwhile trying to get the committee to see
>> the development and innovation benefits of FOSS.??Is anyone else
>> interested in getting involved?
>>
>>
>> http://213.253.134.43/oecd/pdfs/browseit/9207091E.PDF
>>
>>
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:19:00 +0200
>> > From: William Walter Kinghorn <williamk@dut.ac.za>
>> > Subject: RE: [OSGeo Africa] DST Ministerial Committee Terms of
>> >?????? Reference
>> > To: Africa local chapter discussions <africa@lists.osgeo.org>
>> > Message-ID:
>> >
>> > <81DF9FB413A687439AC309E7E914C8E417123DC666@SMLSMBXSTF01.dut.ac.za>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> >
>> > Hi Brendon,
>> >
>> > Sorry, that is the only doc that I received
>> >
>> > did a search on Google "OECD report (2007)"
>> >
>> > found this : www.oecd.org/dataoecd/34/33/38528123.pdf
>> >
>> > hopefully this is what you are looking for
>> >
>> > William
>> > ________________________________________
>> > From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
On
>> > Behalf Of Brendon Wolff-Piggott [brendon@integratedgeodata.co.za]
>> > Sent: 28 July 2010 16:15
>> > To: africa@lists.osgeo.org
>> > Subject: [OSGeo Africa] DST Ministerial Committee Terms of Reference
>> >
>> > Hi all
>> >
>> > I had a quick look at this, and it says that the committee should check
>> > whether the OECD report's recommendations have been implemented.??The
EU
>> > is
>> > strong on open source, and I thought maybe the report mentions
>> > recommends
>> > it.
>> >
>> > I tried to find the OECD report (2007) that it references.??I can't
find
>> > it
>> > on the DST website, or using google.??Does anyone have a copy?
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Brendon
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > This message has been scanned for viruses and
>> > dangerous content by Pinpoint, and is
>> > believed to be clean.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Africa mailing list
>> > Africa@lists.osgeo.org
>> > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa
>> >
>> > "This e-mail is subject to our Disclaimer, to view click
>> > http://www.dut.ac.za"
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Africa mailing list
>> > Africa@lists.osgeo.org
>> > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa
>> >
>> >
>> > End of Africa Digest, Vol 43, Issue 5
>> > *************************************
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cell: 083-2850930
>> Voice Message/Fax: 083-118-2850930
>> Email: brendon@integratedgeodata.co.za
>> Web:??www.integratedgeodata.co.za
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Africa mailing list
>> Africa@lists.osgeo.org
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Africa mailing list
> Africa@lists.osgeo.org
> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa
>
>



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==============================================
Visit http://linfiniti.com to find out about:
?* QGIS programming services
?* Mapserver and PostGIS based hosting plans
?* FOSS Consulting Services
Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net
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From williamk at dut.ac.za  Wed Aug  4 01:44:47 2010
From: williamk at dut.ac.za (William Walter Kinghorn)
Date: Wed Aug  4 01:48:58 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] FW: [Live-demo] Australian Government support of
 quality documentation on the OSGeo-Live DVD
In-Reply-To: <4C58F2D1.6050603@lisasoft.com>
References: <4C58F2D1.6050603@lisasoft.com>
Message-ID: <81DF9FB413A687439AC309E7E914C8E417123DC685@SMLSMBXSTF01.dut.ac.za>

Hi All,

Don't know if any of you guys belong to the OSGeo-Live DVD mailing list, here is a mail from Cameron Shorter

Good one to the Australian Government

William
________________________________________
From: live-demo-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [live-demo-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter [cameron.shorter@lisasoft.com]
Sent: 04 August 2010 06:55
To: live-demo@lists.osgeo.org
Cc: edu_discuss@lists.osgeo.org; John Weaver
Subject: [Live-demo] Australian Government support of quality documentation on the OSGeo-Live DVD

I hinted at this in earlier emails a while back, but I have just been
given confirmation that I can go public with this news.

The Australian Government's Office of Spatial Data Management support
OSGeo Live's goals of providing quality documentation of GeoSpatial Open
Source projects, and have paid for some of LISAsoft's time to achieve
this. At LISAsoft, this has enabled us to spend some of our work time on
building the documentation templates and review Overview documentation
created.

I'm very encouraged by such support, and hope to see similar support
applied by similar agencies to future releases. In particular, we have
great potential to develop consistent, quality training material in a
similar manner.

--
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Solutions Manager
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
http://www.lisasoft.com

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From gavinjfleming at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 18:10:57 2010
From: gavinjfleming at gmail.com (Gavin)
Date: Thu Aug 19 18:11:37 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] if you're in the Cape Town area on Sunday...
Message-ID: <1282255858.2100.128.camel@study.local>

Here's a map I made with QGIS and GRASS showing vantage points for the
Athlone cooling towers implosion: http://afrispatial.co.za


-- 
Gavin Fleming
t: 0218620670
c: 0845965680
f: 0866164820
Paarl
South Africa
18?59'18.8"E 33?44'40.2"S
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From: willyahel at gmail.com (Okorukwu Williams O)
Date: Mon Aug 23 06:10:04 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] OSGOF PRESENTS AN NTERNATIONAL AWARENSS ON
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From sam.leepan at gmail.com  Mon Aug 23 08:50:13 2010
From: sam.leepan at gmail.com (Sam Lee Pan)
Date: Mon Aug 23 08:50:37 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] African FOSS GIS 2010 conference - Postponed
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=MZVXLqMBW9ew9GKp0rs4mKYA1EA4Kbnfu6tHw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear FOSS GIS users and developers,

The African FOSS GIS conference 2010 has been postponed for now. Currently,
the convenors are trying to focus on local events to build up the FOSS GIS
community.  This will help with a successful FOSS GIS conference for Africa
in the future.

Samantha
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From walter at digitalgeography.co.za  Tue Aug 24 08:26:52 2010
From: walter at digitalgeography.co.za (Walter Smit)
Date: Tue Aug 24 08:37:11 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?
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From kamaujeremiah at google.com  Tue Aug 24 10:16:26 2010
From: kamaujeremiah at google.com (Jeremiah Kamau)
Date: Tue Aug 24 10:27:29 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?
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References: <005801cb4387$a3f21b70$ebd65250$@co.za>
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From walter at digitalgeography.co.za  Tue Aug 24 10:41:21 2010
From: walter at digitalgeography.co.za (Walter Smit)
Date: Tue Aug 24 10:41:44 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimL2-CBkP4heseiHhpWRR+H6WuDb8L7cgLXXx89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005801cb4387$a3f21b70$ebd65250$@co.za>
	<AANLkTimL2-CBkP4heseiHhpWRR+H6WuDb8L7cgLXXx89@mail.gmail.com>
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From openstreetmap at firefishy.com  Tue Aug 24 10:53:52 2010
From: openstreetmap at firefishy.com (Grant Slater)
Date: Tue Aug 24 10:54:34 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimL2-CBkP4heseiHhpWRR+H6WuDb8L7cgLXXx89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005801cb4387$a3f21b70$ebd65250$@co.za>
	<AANLkTimL2-CBkP4heseiHhpWRR+H6WuDb8L7cgLXXx89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimhhPp9Wb_Ws-xEUP-gGMt0p1C+9a_xp06GHj-p@mail.gmail.com>

On 24 August 2010 15:16, Jeremiah Kamau <kamaujeremiah@google.com> wrote:
>
> From what I understand:
>
<snip>
>
> In any case, Google does not get your data hence it is not search-able on Google Maps or even Google Search - no need to worry about this. Feel free to go ahead and use the service.

No, I believe you are mistaken. Google is granted rights to use the
data including specifically search. See section 11.1 of the Terms of
Service: http://code.google.com/apis/maps/terms.html
-----
Licenses from You to Google:
Content License. Google claims no ownership over Your Content, and you
retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Your
Content. By submitting, posting or displaying Your Content in the
Service, you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide,
royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify,
translate, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute Your
Content through the Service and as search results through Google
Services. This license is solely for the purpose of enabling Google to
operate the Service, to promote the Service (including through public
presentations), and to index and serve such content as search results
through Google Services. If you are unable or unwilling to provide
such a license to Your Content, please see the FAQ for information on
configuring your Maps API Implementation to opt out.
-----

Also there is a restriction on displaying live tracking information on
the map. See section 10.9.

Regards
 Grant
From walter at digitalgeography.co.za  Wed Aug 25 02:42:48 2010
From: walter at digitalgeography.co.za (Walter Smit)
Date: Wed Aug 25 02:43:05 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimhhPp9Wb_Ws-xEUP-gGMt0p1C+9a_xp06GHj-p@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005801cb4387$a3f21b70$ebd65250$@co.za>	<AANLkTimL2-CBkP4heseiHhpWRR+H6WuDb8L7cgLXXx89@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimhhPp9Wb_Ws-xEUP-gGMt0p1C+9a_xp06GHj-p@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001301cb4420$c3c76ce0$4b5646a0$@co.za>

Hi Grant

I have read that - but I don't think it applies to my case. As I explained -
I wont be uploading my data to Google, so there is no way for them to use it
in searches/Maps/Earth. I will be displaying my data (using my own
webserver) *on top of* whatever Google has. Think of it as a two different
layers - from two different systems.

If I was going to use Google to display my data (ie upload my data to their
servers) then the sections you mentioned would apply. And as you point out -
even then you can opt out of making your content searchable.

Thanks for the comments - as a colleague of mine would say "this is as clear
as mud" :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
On Behalf Of Grant Slater
Sent: 24 August 2010 04:54 PM
To: Africa local chapter discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?

On 24 August 2010 15:16, Jeremiah Kamau <kamaujeremiah@google.com> wrote:
>
> From what I understand:
>
<snip>
>
> In any case, Google does not get your data hence it is not search-able on
Google Maps or even Google Search - no need to worry about this. Feel free
to go ahead and use the service.

No, I believe you are mistaken. Google is granted rights to use the
data including specifically search. See section 11.1 of the Terms of
Service: http://code.google.com/apis/maps/terms.html
-----
Licenses from You to Google:
Content License. Google claims no ownership over Your Content, and you
retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Your
Content. By submitting, posting or displaying Your Content in the
Service, you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide,
royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify,
translate, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute Your
Content through the Service and as search results through Google
Services. This license is solely for the purpose of enabling Google to
operate the Service, to promote the Service (including through public
presentations), and to index and serve such content as search results
through Google Services. If you are unable or unwilling to provide
such a license to Your Content, please see the FAQ for information on
configuring your Maps API Implementation to opt out.
-----

Also there is a restriction on displaying live tracking information on
the map. See section 10.9.

Regards
 Grant
_______________________________________________
Africa mailing list
Africa@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa


From kamaujeremiah at google.com  Wed Aug 25 02:41:49 2010
From: kamaujeremiah at google.com (Jeremiah Kamau)
Date: Wed Aug 25 02:52:34 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimhhPp9Wb_Ws-xEUP-gGMt0p1C+9a_xp06GHj-p@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005801cb4387$a3f21b70$ebd65250$@co.za>
	<AANLkTimL2-CBkP4heseiHhpWRR+H6WuDb8L7cgLXXx89@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimhhPp9Wb_Ws-xEUP-gGMt0p1C+9a_xp06GHj-p@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikZ-9_KRZifkdBsrCQsDHm88=sDrku050w5TfGG@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Grant,

Indeed your right. But only one line of confusion -does Google automatically
acquire data once you put it up on an API? Answer is no, any data Google
acquires has to be licensed before we have any perpetual rights to it:
http://www.google.com/support/mapcontentpartners/ (I believe section 11.1
refers to such). Hence if this is not the case, its ok to put it up on a
webpage (though this may indeed be indexed by Google's robots and thus
search-able - though you can opt out as shown in the statements). Giving a
practical (not legal) explanation :).

Cheers

On 24 August 2010 17:53, Grant Slater <openstreetmap@firefishy.com> wrote:

> On 24 August 2010 15:16, Jeremiah Kamau <kamaujeremiah@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > From what I understand:
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > In any case, Google does not get your data hence it is not search-able on
> Google Maps or even Google Search - no need to worry about this. Feel free
> to go ahead and use the service.
>
> No, I believe you are mistaken. Google is granted rights to use the
> data including specifically search. See section 11.1 of the Terms of
> Service: http://code.google.com/apis/maps/terms.html
> -----
> Licenses from You to Google:
> Content License. Google claims no ownership over Your Content, and you
> retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Your
> Content. By submitting, posting or displaying Your Content in the
> Service, you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide,
> royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify,
> translate, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute Your
> Content through the Service and as search results through Google
> Services. This license is solely for the purpose of enabling Google to
> operate the Service, to promote the Service (including through public
> presentations), and to index and serve such content as search results
> through Google Services. If you are unable or unwilling to provide
> such a license to Your Content, please see the FAQ for information on
> configuring your Maps API Implementation to opt out.
> -----
>
> Also there is a restriction on displaying live tracking information on
> the map. See section 10.9.
>
> Regards
>  Grant
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From andrew at quartex.co.za  Wed Aug 25 02:54:58 2010
From: andrew at quartex.co.za (Andrew de Klerk)
Date: Wed Aug 25 03:02:21 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?
In-Reply-To: <001301cb4420$c3c76ce0$4b5646a0$@co.za>
References: <005801cb4387$a3f21b70$ebd65250$@co.za>	<AANLkTimL2-CBkP4heseiHhpWRR+H6WuDb8L7cgLXXx89@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTimhhPp9Wb_Ws-xEUP-gGMt0p1C+9a_xp06GHj-p@mail.gmail.com>
	<001301cb4420$c3c76ce0$4b5646a0$@co.za>
Message-ID: <016201cb4422$6ec2fb40$4c48f1c0$@quartex.co.za>

Many people read into the license agreement and believe that they can use
the google API for commercial use as long as you keep within the certain
boundaries. Tracking is a definite no and requires you pay their annual
license fee. We have just completed a site for someone who was quite happy
to adopt this principle. He is receiving income through his site, and is
utilizing google maps to display data for points of interest he is accepting
income for. I personally believe he is violating the terms of the google
maps api, but as you say "clear as mud"
My take on it all - if you receive income for what you are displaying - pay
up, if not, free to use.

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
On Behalf Of Walter Smit
Sent: 25 August 2010 08:43 AM
To: 'Africa local chapter discussions'
Subject: RE: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?

Hi Grant

I have read that - but I don't think it applies to my case. As I explained -
I wont be uploading my data to Google, so there is no way for them to use it
in searches/Maps/Earth. I will be displaying my data (using my own
webserver) *on top of* whatever Google has. Think of it as a two different
layers - from two different systems.

If I was going to use Google to display my data (ie upload my data to their
servers) then the sections you mentioned would apply. And as you point out -
even then you can opt out of making your content searchable.

Thanks for the comments - as a colleague of mine would say "this is as clear
as mud" :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
On Behalf Of Grant Slater
Sent: 24 August 2010 04:54 PM
To: Africa local chapter discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?

On 24 August 2010 15:16, Jeremiah Kamau <kamaujeremiah@google.com> wrote:
>
> From what I understand:
>
<snip>
>
> In any case, Google does not get your data hence it is not search-able 
> on
Google Maps or even Google Search - no need to worry about this. Feel free
to go ahead and use the service.

No, I believe you are mistaken. Google is granted rights to use the data
including specifically search. See section 11.1 of the Terms of
Service: http://code.google.com/apis/maps/terms.html
-----
Licenses from You to Google:
Content License. Google claims no ownership over Your Content, and you
retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Your Content. By
submitting, posting or displaying Your Content in the Service, you give
Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive
license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publicly perform, publicly
display and distribute Your Content through the Service and as search
results through Google Services. This license is solely for the purpose of
enabling Google to operate the Service, to promote the Service (including
through public presentations), and to index and serve such content as search
results through Google Services. If you are unable or unwilling to provide
such a license to Your Content, please see the FAQ for information on
configuring your Maps API Implementation to opt out.
-----

Also there is a restriction on displaying live tracking information on the
map. See section 10.9.

Regards
 Grant
_______________________________________________
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From openstreetmap at firefishy.com  Wed Aug 25 04:43:42 2010
From: openstreetmap at firefishy.com (Grant Slater)
Date: Wed Aug 25 04:44:25 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?
In-Reply-To: <001301cb4420$c3c76ce0$4b5646a0$@co.za>
References: <005801cb4387$a3f21b70$ebd65250$@co.za>
	<AANLkTimL2-CBkP4heseiHhpWRR+H6WuDb8L7cgLXXx89@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimhhPp9Wb_Ws-xEUP-gGMt0p1C+9a_xp06GHj-p@mail.gmail.com>
	<001301cb4420$c3c76ce0$4b5646a0$@co.za>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikMFpU4G48jz4vzPAWr7tbx0HzfMkKm11DO-z2e@mail.gmail.com>

On 25 August 2010 07:42, Walter Smit <walter@digitalgeography.co.za> wrote:
> Hi Grant
>
> I have read that - but I don't think it applies to my case. As I explained -
> I wont be uploading my data to Google, so there is no way for them to use it
> in searches/Maps/Earth. I will be displaying my data (using my own
> webserver) *on top of* whatever Google has. Think of it as a two different
> layers - from two different systems.
>
> If I was going to use Google to display my data (ie upload my data to their
> servers) then the sections you mentioned would apply. And as you point out -
> even then you can opt out of making your content searchable.
>

Read the FAQ Item here:
http://code.google.com/apis/maps/faq.html#tos_optout
If you use the Marker (POI) API call, you grant Google a perpetual
license to use your POI on Google Maps and Search. The javascript
submits your POI to Google. The FAQ details how to opt-out.

Google uses POI on their live maps site. Sometimes with hilarious
consequences: Driving directions from "Tony Blair"?
http://googlemapsfail.tumblr.com/post/806817281/hat-tip-to-the-grauniad-driving-directions

In closing... if Pick'nPay's website displayed all their store
locations on a Google Map, unless opted-out, google may then use those
locations details on maps.google.co.za or in search results
independently of Pick'nPay.

Regards
 Grant
From walter at digitalgeography.co.za  Wed Aug 25 05:50:27 2010
From: walter at digitalgeography.co.za (Walter Smit)
Date: Wed Aug 25 05:50:42 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?
In-Reply-To: <016201cb4422$6ec2fb40$4c48f1c0$@quartex.co.za>
References: <005801cb4387$a3f21b70$ebd65250$@co.za>	<AANLkTimL2-CBkP4heseiHhpWRR+H6WuDb8L7cgLXXx89@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTimhhPp9Wb_Ws-xEUP-gGMt0p1C+9a_xp06GHj-p@mail.gmail.com>	<001301cb4420$c3c76ce0$4b5646a0$@co.za>
	<016201cb4422$6ec2fb40$4c48f1c0$@quartex.co.za>
Message-ID: <003401cb443a$f4739ac0$dd5ad040$@co.za>

Thanks Andrew (for stirring the slush)

My sentiments exactly...unfortunately. Thats why I asked the question in the
first place.

But what I want to do cannot be done through the Google API alone - I have
to use my webserver for some things (filtering/selections etc). But I am
then using Google to enhance the look of a part of the website... Then again
- it is free marketing for Google. Clear as mud.

I wonder what the Bing Maps (Microsoft) terms and conditions
are....especially with the new integration agreement with ESRI...Not that I
want to use their software. I think I am going to try and find another
solution.

-----Original Message-----
From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
On Behalf Of Andrew de Klerk
Sent: 25 August 2010 08:55 AM
To: 'Africa local chapter discussions'
Subject: RE: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?

Many people read into the license agreement and believe that they can use
the google API for commercial use as long as you keep within the certain
boundaries. Tracking is a definite no and requires you pay their annual
license fee. We have just completed a site for someone who was quite happy
to adopt this principle. He is receiving income through his site, and is
utilizing google maps to display data for points of interest he is accepting
income for. I personally believe he is violating the terms of the google
maps api, but as you say "clear as mud"
My take on it all - if you receive income for what you are displaying - pay
up, if not, free to use.

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
On Behalf Of Walter Smit
Sent: 25 August 2010 08:43 AM
To: 'Africa local chapter discussions'
Subject: RE: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?

Hi Grant

I have read that - but I don't think it applies to my case. As I explained -
I wont be uploading my data to Google, so there is no way for them to use it
in searches/Maps/Earth. I will be displaying my data (using my own
webserver) *on top of* whatever Google has. Think of it as a two different
layers - from two different systems.

If I was going to use Google to display my data (ie upload my data to their
servers) then the sections you mentioned would apply. And as you point out -
even then you can opt out of making your content searchable.

Thanks for the comments - as a colleague of mine would say "this is as clear
as mud" :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
On Behalf Of Grant Slater
Sent: 24 August 2010 04:54 PM
To: Africa local chapter discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?

On 24 August 2010 15:16, Jeremiah Kamau <kamaujeremiah@google.com> wrote:
>
> From what I understand:
>
<snip>
>
> In any case, Google does not get your data hence it is not search-able 
> on
Google Maps or even Google Search - no need to worry about this. Feel free
to go ahead and use the service.

No, I believe you are mistaken. Google is granted rights to use the data
including specifically search. See section 11.1 of the Terms of
Service: http://code.google.com/apis/maps/terms.html
-----
Licenses from You to Google:
Content License. Google claims no ownership over Your Content, and you
retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Your Content. By
submitting, posting or displaying Your Content in the Service, you give
Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive
license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publicly perform, publicly
display and distribute Your Content through the Service and as search
results through Google Services. This license is solely for the purpose of
enabling Google to operate the Service, to promote the Service (including
through public presentations), and to index and serve such content as search
results through Google Services. If you are unable or unwilling to provide
such a license to Your Content, please see the FAQ for information on
configuring your Maps API Implementation to opt out.
-----

Also there is a restriction on displaying live tracking information on the
map. See section 10.9.

Regards
 Grant
_______________________________________________
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Africa@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa


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From wluck at csir.co.za  Wed Aug 25 07:19:12 2010
From: wluck at csir.co.za (Wolfgang Luck)
Date: Wed Aug 25 07:26:56 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?
Message-ID: <4C751850020000F10004B3FC@pta-emo.csir.co.za>

Hi Walter
We just had a great QGIS course and found the Open Layers plugin for
QGIS that lets you pull in Google Earth imagery directly into QGIS. Have
a look at that source code. You might want to go the same route.
Greetings Wolfgang

Wolfgang L?ck
CSIR
Satellite Application Centre
Earth Observation Service Centre
Technology Manager
Tel +27 12 334 5142
Fax +27 12 334 5001
Email:wluck@csir.co.za
>>> "Walter Smit"  08/25/10 11:51 AM >>>
Thanks Andrew (for stirring the slush)

My sentiments exactly...unfortunately. Thats why I asked the question in
the
first place.

But what I want to do cannot be done through the Google API alone - I
have
to use my webserver for some things (filtering/selections etc). But I am
then using Google to enhance the look of a part of the website... Then
again
- it is free marketing for Google. Clear as mud.

I wonder what the Bing Maps (Microsoft) terms and conditions
are....especially with the new integration agreement with ESRI...Not
that I
want to use their software. I think I am going to try and find another
solution.

-----Original Message-----
From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org
[mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
On Behalf Of Andrew de Klerk
Sent: 25 August 2010 08:55 AM
To: 'Africa local chapter discussions'
Subject: RE: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?

Many people read into the license agreement and believe that they can
use
the google API for commercial use as long as you keep within the certain
boundaries. Tracking is a definite no and requires you pay their annual
license fee. We have just completed a site for someone who was quite
happy
to adopt this principle. He is receiving income through his site, and is
utilizing google maps to display data for points of interest he is
accepting
income for. I personally believe he is violating the terms of the google
maps api, but as you say "clear as mud"
My take on it all - if you receive income for what you are displaying -
pay
up, if not, free to use.

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org
[mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
On Behalf Of Walter Smit
Sent: 25 August 2010 08:43 AM
To: 'Africa local chapter discussions'
Subject: RE: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?

Hi Grant

I have read that - but I don't think it applies to my case. As I
explained -
I wont be uploading my data to Google, so there is no way for them to
use it
in searches/Maps/Earth. I will be displaying my data (using my own
webserver) *on top of* whatever Google has. Think of it as a two
different
layers - from two different systems.

If I was going to use Google to display my data (ie upload my data to
their
servers) then the sections you mentioned would apply. And as you point
out -
even then you can opt out of making your content searchable.

Thanks for the comments - as a colleague of mine would say "this is as
clear
as mud" :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org
[mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
On Behalf Of Grant Slater
Sent: 24 August 2010 04:54 PM
To: Africa local chapter discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?

On 24 August 2010 15:16, Jeremiah Kamau  wrote:
>
> From what I understand:
>

>
> In any case, Google does not get your data hence it is not search-able

> on
Google Maps or even Google Search - no need to worry about this. Feel
free
to go ahead and use the service.

No, I believe you are mistaken. Google is granted rights to use the data
including specifically search. See section 11.1 of the Terms of
Service: http://code.google.com/apis/maps/terms.html
-----
Licenses from You to Google:
Content License. Google claims no ownership over Your Content, and you
retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Your Content.
By
submitting, posting or displaying Your Content in the Service, you give
Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and
non-exclusive
license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publicly perform,
publicly
display and distribute Your Content through the Service and as search
results through Google Services. This license is solely for the purpose
of
enabling Google to operate the Service, to promote the Service
(including
through public presentations), and to index and serve such content as
search
results through Google Services. If you are unable or unwilling to
provide
such a license to Your Content, please see the FAQ for information on
configuring your Maps API Implementation to opt out.
-----

Also there is a restriction on displaying live tracking information on
the
map. See section 10.9.

Regards
 Grant
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From: andrew at quartex.co.za (Andrew de Klerk)
Date: Wed Aug 25 08:43:30 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?
In-Reply-To: <4C751850020000F10004B3FC@pta-emo.csir.co.za>
References: <4C751850020000F10004B3FC@pta-emo.csir.co.za>
Message-ID: <01b701cb4453$0c9f1e40$25dd5ac0$@quartex.co.za>

Although that doesn?t negate the discussion around licensing

 

From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
On Behalf Of Wolfgang Luck
Sent: 25 August 2010 01:19 PM
To: africa@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: RE: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?

 

Hi Walter
We just had a great QGIS course and found the Open Layers plugin for QGIS
that lets you pull in Google Earth imagery directly into QGIS. Have a look
at that source code. You might want to go the same route.
Greetings Wolfgang



Wolfgang L?ck
CSIR
Satellite Application Centre
Earth Observation Service Centre
Technology Manager
Tel +27 12 334 5142
Fax +27 12 334 5001
Email:wluck@csir.co.za


>>> "Walter Smit" <walter@digitalgeography.co.za> 08/25/10 11:51 AM >>>
Thanks Andrew (for stirring the slush)

My sentiments exactly...unfortunately. Thats why I asked the question in the
first place.

But what I want to do cannot be done through the Google API alone - I have
to use my webserver for some things (filtering/selections etc). But I am
then using Google to enhance the look of a part of the website... Then again
- it is free marketing for Google. Clear as mud.

I wonder what the Bing Maps (Microsoft) terms and conditions
are....especially with the new integration agreement with ESRI...Not that I
want to use their software. I think I am going to try and find another
solution.

-----Original Message-----
From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
On Behalf Of Andrew de Klerk
Sent: 25 August 2010 08:55 AM
To: 'Africa local chapter discussions'
Subject: RE: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?

Many people read into the license agreement and believe that they can use
the google API for commercial use as long as you keep within the certain
boundaries. Tracking is a definite no and requires you pay their annual
license fee. We have just completed a site for someone who was quite happy
to adopt this principle. He is receiving income through his site, and is
utilizing google maps to display data for points of interest he is accepting
income for. I personally believe he is violating the terms of the google
maps api, but as you say "clear as mud"
My take on it all - if you receive income for what you are displaying - pay
up, if not, free to use.

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
On Behalf Of Walter Smit
Sent: 25 August 2010 08:43 AM
To: 'Africa local chapter discussions'
Subject: RE: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?

Hi Grant

I have read that - but I don't think it applies to my case. As I explained -
I wont be uploading my data to Google, so there is no way for them to use it
in searches/Maps/Earth. I will be displaying my data (using my own
webserver) *on top of* whatever Google has. Think of it as a two different
layers - from two different systems.

If I was going to use Google to display my data (ie upload my data to their
servers) then the sections you mentioned would apply. And as you point out -
even then you can opt out of making your content searchable.

Thanks for the comments - as a colleague of mine would say "this is as clear
as mud" :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
On Behalf Of Grant Slater
Sent: 24 August 2010 04:54 PM
To: Africa local chapter discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?

On 24 August 2010 15:16, Jeremiah Kamau <kamaujeremiah@google.com> wrote:
>
> From what I understand:
>
<snip>
>
> In any case, Google does not get your data hence it is not search-able 
> on
Google Maps or even Google Search - no need to worry about this. Feel free
to go ahead and use the service.

No, I believe you are mistaken. Google is granted rights to use the data
including specifically search. See section 11.1 of the Terms of
Service: http://code.google.com/apis/maps/terms.html
-----
Licenses from You to Google:
Content License. Google claims no ownership over Your Content, and you
retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Your Content. By
submitting, posting or displaying Your Content in the Service, you give
Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive
license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publicly perform, publicly
display and distribute Your Content through the Service and as search
results through Google Services. This license is solely for the purpose of
enabling Google to operate the Service, to promote the Service (including
through public presentations), and to index and serve such content as search
results through Google Services. If you are unable or unwilling to provide
such a license to Your Content, please see the FAQ for information on
configuring your Maps API Implementation to opt out.
-----

Also there is a restriction on displaying live tracking information on the
map. See section 10.9.

Regards
Grant
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From josh at umbrellaconsulting.com  Fri Aug 27 13:40:31 2010
From: josh at umbrellaconsulting.com (Josh Livni)
Date: Fri Aug 27 13:40:52 2010
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?
In-Reply-To: <016201cb4422$6ec2fb40$4c48f1c0$@quartex.co.za>
References: <005801cb4387$a3f21b70$ebd65250$@co.za>
	<AANLkTimL2-CBkP4heseiHhpWRR+H6WuDb8L7cgLXXx89@mail.gmail.com>
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This FAQ entry may help clarify when it is permissible to receive
income (eg run a commercial site) and still fit within the 'free'
Terms of Service:
http://code.google.com/apis/maps/faq.html#tos_commercial

You may also be interested in this thread that discusses the potential
indexing (or lack thereof) of your content in Maps:
http://groups.google.com/group/google-maps-js-api-v3/browse_thread/thread/4edad765f00b6488

Cheers,

? -Josh



On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Andrew de Klerk <andrew@quartex.co.za> wrote:
> Many people read into the license agreement and believe that they can use
> the google API for commercial use as long as you keep within the certain
> boundaries. Tracking is a definite no and requires you pay their annual
> license fee. We have just completed a site for someone who was quite happy
> to adopt this principle. He is receiving income through his site, and is
> utilizing google maps to display data for points of interest he is accepting
> income for. I personally believe he is violating the terms of the google
> maps api, but as you say "clear as mud"
> My take on it all - if you receive income for what you are displaying - pay
> up, if not, free to use.
>
> Andrew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
> On Behalf Of Walter Smit
> Sent: 25 August 2010 08:43 AM
> To: 'Africa local chapter discussions'
> Subject: RE: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?
>
> Hi Grant
>
> I have read that - but I don't think it applies to my case. As I explained -
> I wont be uploading my data to Google, so there is no way for them to use it
> in searches/Maps/Earth. I will be displaying my data (using my own
> webserver) *on top of* whatever Google has. Think of it as a two different
> layers - from two different systems.
>
> If I was going to use Google to display my data (ie upload my data to their
> servers) then the sections you mentioned would apply. And as you point out -
> even then you can opt out of making your content searchable.
>
> Thanks for the comments - as a colleague of mine would say "this is as clear
> as mud" :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
> On Behalf Of Grant Slater
> Sent: 24 August 2010 04:54 PM
> To: Africa local chapter discussions
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo Africa] RE: Google maps API - whats legal?
>
> On 24 August 2010 15:16, Jeremiah Kamau <kamaujeremiah@google.com> wrote:
>>
>> From what I understand:
>>
> <snip>
>>
>> In any case, Google does not get your data hence it is not search-able
>> on
> Google Maps or even Google Search - no need to worry about this. Feel free
> to go ahead and use the service.
>
> No, I believe you are mistaken. Google is granted rights to use the data
> including specifically search. See section 11.1 of the Terms of
> Service: http://code.google.com/apis/maps/terms.html
> -----
> Licenses from You to Google:
> Content License. Google claims no ownership over Your Content, and you
> retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Your Content. By
> submitting, posting or displaying Your Content in the Service, you give
> Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive
> license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publicly perform, publicly
> display and distribute Your Content through the Service and as search
> results through Google Services. This license is solely for the purpose of
> enabling Google to operate the Service, to promote the Service (including
> through public presentations), and to index and serve such content as search
> results through Google Services. If you are unable or unwilling to provide
> such a license to Your Content, please see the FAQ for information on
> configuring your Maps API Implementation to opt out.
> -----
>
> Also there is a restriction on displaying live tracking information on the
> map. See section 10.9.
>
> Regards
> ?Grant
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