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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" dir=ltr><I><B>From:</B></I> <A href="mailto:APARKER@ruraldevelopment.gov.za">Aslam Parker</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" dir=ltr><I><B>Date:</B></I> 8/27/2013 12:54:31 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" dir=ltr><I><B>To:</B></I> <A href="mailto:africa@lists.osgeo.org">africa@lists.osgeo.org</A>; <A href="mailto:newmarch@land-surveyors.com">newmarch@land-surveyors.com</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" dir=ltr><I><B>Subject:</B></I> Re: [OSGeo Africa] Using south-orientated CRSs for GIS in SouthAfrica</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Hi All</DIV>
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<DIV>Can we please not call it the Lo system, it is the South African Coordinate Reference System. For a detailed and authoratative definition and explanation, please download </DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.eepublishers.co.za/images/upload/positionit_2012/SA%20Coordinate%20reference%20system%20part1+2.pdf">http://www.eepublishers.co.za/images/upload/positionit_2012/SA%20Coordinate%20reference%20system%20part1+2.pdf</A></DIV>
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<DIV>Apparently ESRI has recently implemented the south oriented SACRS in their software.</DIV>
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<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT face="Times New Roman">If one is producing maps in a country, then its common practice to use the national mapping system of that country. So I guess NGI does have a policy in the sense that their is a national mapping system for all data - which is the current Lo system.<BR><BR>Peter<BR></FONT><PRE class=moz-signature cols="72">Peter Newmarch
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eMail : <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:newmarch@land-surveyors.com">newmarch@land-surveyors.com</A> </PRE>On 2013/08/27 11:18 AM, Frank Sokolic wrote:<BR></DIV>
<DIV>ArcGIS 10+ and the soon-to-be-released QGIS 2.0 contain the (correct) south-orientated definitions of the Lo coordinate reference systems. However, the problem with this is that there is a HUGE amount of spatial data in SA and neighbouring countries that use a "north-facing" orientation. To convert all of this to the south-orientated system will have a massive impact on the GIS community both in terms of money and time. Can we afford this? <BR><BR>Does National Geo-spatial Information (NGI) have a policy on which CRS to use for GIS? They also supply spatial data using "north-orientated" coordinates so perhaps they have a policy somewhere that states: <BR>- use south-orientated coordinates for survey data <BR>- use north-orientated coordinates for GIS data? <BR><BR>Frank. <BR><BR>On 26/08/2013 22:03, Gavin Fleming wrote: <BR>
<DIV>Very topical point Frank <BR><BR>Now that EPSG and proj4 have codes and implementations for the <BR>south-facing LO/Hartebeesthoek94 system, it's all well and good except <BR>as you say most GIS practitioners use north-facing, which we should not <BR>call 'LO' at all. I wish EPSG had set up the north facing series instead. <BR><BR>If you get coordinates from a surveyor they are likely to be <BR>south-facing, otherwise not, probably because GIS has not been able to <BR>handle south-facing till recently? <BR><BR>In my early GIS days if we got south-facing data, we'd flip it to <BR>north-facing manually before continuing. <BR><BR>There's a bit of a blocker in QGIS 1.9 at the moment where, if you <BR>define a north-facing LO CRS (which I prefer to call something like <BR>'SouthAfricaTM19' instead of 'LO19'), it forces '+axis=wsu' into the <BR>definition, which makes it south-facing. I've filed a bug report [1] <BR>about this, hoping it gets fixed before 2.0 is released. <BR><BR>I'm working in Lesotho now on parcel data which is in north facing TM <BR>(on the Cape datum still), though survey data comes in south-facing. The <BR>LO/Cape datum series is also in EPSG now, but also only as south-facing <BR>:-(. <BR><BR>[1] <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://hub.qgis.org/issues/8487">http://hub.qgis.org/issues/8487</A> <BR><BR>Gavin <BR><BR>On 26/08/2013 17:08, Frank Sokolic wrote: <BR>
<DIV>Dear List, <BR><BR>As many of you know, the South African coordinate reference system is <BR>defined as a south-orientated system, with Westings (Y) increasing <BR>towards the south and Southings (X) increasing towards the West. <BR>However, in a GIS context I've only ever seen SA CRSs (e.g. Lo19, <BR>Lo31, etc) represented with x-coordinates increasing eastwards and <BR>y-coordinates increasing northwards. <BR><BR>So, for example, the coordinates of the entrance to Durban harbour are <BR>represented in Hartebeesthoek94/Lo31 as <BR>Y = -5641.000 <BR>X = +3305647.886 <BR>but in practice in a GIS this point is represented as <BR>X = +5641.000 <BR>Y = -3305647.886 <BR><BR>My question is: are there any GIS practitioners in South Africa who <BR>use the SA CRSs in the south-orientated sense? <BR><BR>Regards, Frank. <BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________ <BR>Africa mailing list <BR><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:Africa@lists.osgeo.org">Africa@lists.osgeo.org</A> <BR><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa</A> <BR></DIV><BR><BR></DIV><BR>_______________________________________________ <BR>Africa mailing list <BR><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:Africa@lists.osgeo.org">Africa@lists.osgeo.org</A> <BR><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa</A> <BR><BR></DIV><BR><BR>
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