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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi All,<br>
      The "missing step" is the Datum shift.<br>
      If you do it manually, then the sequence is "Cape Lo19 to LatLong
      <=Datum shift=>LatLong to Harte94 WG19"<br>
      If with QGIS you specify your original CRS n Cape Lo19 and your
      Tagert CRS on Harte94 WG19 the QGIS should handle the Datum shift,
      and it will seem transparent to you.<br>
      <br>
      The "Survey Convention" is South Africa is to use the "Lo" prefix
      to suggest Cape Datum, and the "WG" prefix to show WGS84, Harte94
      Datum. The numeric value after the "Lo" and the "WG" is the
      longitude of the central meridian.<br>
      <br>
      HTH,<br>
      Zoltan<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 2014/09/29 15:20, Dr Wesley Roberts wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hi
            Sarel,</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Many
            thanks for the input. I have found the specific EPSG and as
            before the same location appears to have different
            coordinates to those specified on the surveyors diagram. I
            think I am missing a step here. Based on Zoltans response I
            think I need an intermediate step to get the points into the
            correct location, is this correct?</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So,
            my workflow is </span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph" style=""><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span
              style="">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New
                Roman"">       </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Generate
            text file with X and Y coordinates</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span
              style="">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New
                Roman"">       </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Open
            in QGIS using delimited text file import </span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph" style=""><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span
              style="">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New
                Roman"">       </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Assign
            a suitable projection to the mapped points (LO19 Cape Datum)</span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">………An
            intermediate step……… <- Think of the maths cartoon where
            the prof says “and then a miracle happens”</span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph" style=""><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span
              style="">4.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New
                Roman"">       </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Re-project
            to WGS 84\</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
            am still lost when it comes to the north facing vs south
            facing projection and how I get the proj to match the
            coordinates on the SG diagram. Could this not al be a change
            in the constant?</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Regards,</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Wesley</span></p>
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            Roberts, PhD</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Cell
            RSA: +27 83 5355 646</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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            <b>On Behalf Of </b>S Coetzer<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 29, 2014 3:05 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Africa local chapter discussions<br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo Africa] Surveyor General Diagram
            - Mapping property boundary points</span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi
                  Wesly</p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Zoltan
                is correct, use Cape datum for 1975 data, I think the
                EPSG code is: 22279</p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">In QGIS,
              use 22279 to filter your CRS and you'lle find it.</p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Good luck.</p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Sarel Coetzer </p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Dr
              Wesley Roberts <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:wesley@biocarbonpartners.com"
                target="_blank">wesley@biocarbonpartners.com</a>>
              wrote:</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="">Dear Colleagues,</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="">A friend has asked me to
                    produce a map using a title deed SG document. The
                    property in question was surveyed in 1975 and it
                    appears to make use of the LO19 coordinate system. I
                    am not that familiar with LO19 and am having some
                    trouble with defining a proj 4 projection in QGIS. I
                    have produced a custom CRS based on the this post by
                    Gavin Flemming (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://afrispatial.co.za/foss-gis/south-african-projections-in-foss-gis/"
                      target="_blank">http://afrispatial.co.za/foss-gis/south-african-projections-in-foss-gis/</a>).
                    All seems well until I look at the location, I can
                    find it using ancillary data. The coordinates on the
                    title deed match only in the X domain (I have
                    swopped both the X and the Y as well as the sign)
                    while the Y domain appears to be “way out”. The SG
                    title deed coordinate for one of the Y points is
                    -9105.30 (Constant +9 760 000,00) while the same
                    location in the QGIS returns a Y coordinate of
                    around -3 769 758. Can anyone shed light on why
                    there is such a large difference between the SG
                    Diagram and the actual location?</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p>
                  <p>1.<span style="font-size:7.0pt">       </span>I am
                    thinking that it might be something to do with the
                    fact that the property was surveyed in 1975, any
                    ideas?</p>
                  <p>2.<span style="font-size:7.0pt">       </span>I
                    have used the following proj 4 definition – have I
                    missed something?</p>
                  <p> </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="">+proj=tmerc +lat_0=0
                    +lon_0=19 +k=1 +x_0=0 +y_0=0 +ellps=WGS84
                    +datum=WGS84 +units=m +no_defs</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="">Any help on this matter
                    would be greatly appreciated.</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="">Regards,</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="">Wesley</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="">Wesley Roberts, PhD</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="">Geospatial Manager</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="">Biocarbon Partners</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="">Cell RSA: +27 83 5355
                    646</p>
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