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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi All<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Not for one moment am I defending the accuracy or correctness of the Demarcation Board data. I am merely pointing out that is their mandate.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Now that the CSI up and running and the regulations for the SDI Act is being finalised, the pressure on the custodians of spatial data to comply will increase.
They will not be able to ignore such serious concerns anymore. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I could be wrong, I am not sure if there ever was formal representation from the organisations representing industry (GISSA and SAGI) to the Demarcation Board
regarding these concerns.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Africa [mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Kirchhoff<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 July 2016 09:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Africa local chapter discussions'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo Africa] Municipal boundary demarcation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks Aslam,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I have downloaded the shape files from the Demarcation board website and the Government Gazette
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The problem that arises is that the Demarcation board Shape file Municipal boundary line , the property boundary line based
on the Surveyor General digital boundary data and the actual WGS 84 coordinates as defined on the approved Surveyor General diagram that define the property boundary are not consistent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The Demarcation board Shape file municipal boundary line shows the Tshwane municipal boundary running inside a farm boundary
by some 30m. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This farm is supposed to be inside Johannesburg municipality.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The Johannesburg municipality wishes to build a 30m wide road along the farm boundary but now sees that part of the road would
fall inside Tshwane municipality according to the Demarcation board Shape file municipal boundary line.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I would assume the obvious response is that the Municipal boundary should be contiguous with property boundaries, however I
can find no legislation that clearly sates this ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Would you have some thoughts on how to resolve this ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222;background:white">……………………………………...</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C45911;background:white">Chris Kirchhoff</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C45911"><br>
<span style="background:white">Professional Land Surveyor</span><br>
<span style="background:white">Tel : 082-773 4868</span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"><a href="mailto:chris@kirchhoffsurveyors.co.za" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white">chris@kirchhoffsurveyors.co.za</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"><a href="http://www.kirchhoffsurveyors.co.za/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";background:white">www.kirchhoffsurveyors.co.za</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"><br>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C45911;background:white">We believe good spatial information leads to superior planning, diminished project risks, improved feasibility assessments and efficient resource utilisation.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#C45911"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Africa [<a href="mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Aslam Parker<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 July 2016 08:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Africa local chapter discussions <<a href="mailto:africa@lists.osgeo.org">africa@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo Africa] Municipal boundary demarcation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Dear Colleagues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">The Municipal Demarcation Board
<a href="http://www.demarcation.org.za/"><span style="color:windowtext">http://www.demarcation.org.za/</span></a> is the only authoritative source of Demarcation data in South Africa<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">The Board’s mandate derives from:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">The Constitution Of The Republic Of South Africa, 1996 (Act No 108 Of 1996). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">The Board is mandated in terms of section 155(3)(b) to determine municipal Boundaries independently. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Local Government: Municipal Demarcation Act, 1998 (Act No 27 Of 1998)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">The latest
<b>boundary data (shapefiles)</b> can be downloaded from <a href="http://www.demarcation.org.za/index.php/downloads/boundary-data">
http://www.demarcation.org.za/index.php/downloads/boundary-data</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">We are also encouraged to carefully scrutinise the Section 21 of the Local Government: Municipal Demarcation Act 27 of 1998 the Municipal Demarcation Board
which graphically shows re-determined the municipal boundaries. In most cases the boundary changes seems small and insignificant, but can have significant socio-political, as well as planning implications.
<a href="http://www.demarcation.org.za/site/?page_id=14588">http://www.demarcation.org.za/site/?page_id=14588</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">A Good example :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">“ In terms of Section 21 of the Local Government: Municipal Demarcation Act 27 of 1998 the Municipal Demarcation Board has re-determined the municipal boundaries
of Mnquma Local Municipality (EC122) and Mbhashe Local M unicipality (EC121) , by excluding the Administrative areas of Mhlahlana, Nkonkwana,KwaMente, and KwaNkanga from the municipal area of Mnquma Local Municipality (EC122), and by including them into the
municipal area of Mbhashe Local M unicipality (EC121).”</span><span style="color:windowtext"> The example map can be accessed at
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"><a href="http://www.demarcation.org.za/index.php/municipal-boundaries/section-21-maps-and-notices/ec-sec21-dems/1104-dem4037-bpfc-sec21/file">http://www.demarcation.org.za/index.php/municipal-boundaries/section-21-maps-and-notices/ec-sec21-dems/1104-dem4037-bpfc-sec21/file</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Aslam Parker | Director: Geo-spatial Information and Professional Support |Chief Directorate: National Geo-spatial Information | Department of Rural Development and Land Reform
| </span><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><a href="http://www.ngi.gov.za/"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">www.ngi.gov.za</span></a></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">|</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#EC7600"> </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Cape
Town|</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#EC7600">Tel</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> +27 21 658 4302|</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#EC7600">
Fax </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">+27 21 689 1351|
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#EC7600">Mobile</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> 082 331 8501|
<a href="mailto:aslam.parker@drdlr.gov.za">aslam.parker@drdlr.gov.za</a></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Africa [<a href="mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lydia du Toit<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 July 2016 07:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Africa local chapter discussions<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo Africa] Municipal boundary demarcation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:navy">Hi Chris,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:navy">Contact the Demarcation Board, or download from their website.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:navy">They have the 2011 and 2016 boundaries available.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:navy">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:navy">Lydia Du Toit (Pr GISc)<br>
Mobile: 0832713158<br>
Email: <a href="mailto:Lydiadt@mweb.co.za">Lydiadt@mweb.co.za</a> or<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">
<a href="mailto:chris@kirchhoffsurveyors.co.za" title="chris@kirchhoffsurveyors.co.za">
Chris Kirchhoff</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy"> Wednesday, July 20, 2016 5:41 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">
<a href="mailto:africa@lists.osgeo.org" title="africa@lists.osgeo.org">'Africa local chapter discussions'</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy"> [OSGeo Africa] Municipal boundary
demarcation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Is there a formal/ legal source of municipal boundary positions especially for boundary between Johannesburg and Tshwane municipalities
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C45911;background:white">Chris Kirchhoff</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C45911"><br>
<span style="background:white">Professional Land Surveyor</span><br>
<span style="background:white">Tel : 082-773 4868</span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"><br>
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