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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I was referring to depiction of “terrestrial space” i.e topography.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I was just pointed to an interesting article by TIMM MAGS, titled: Cartographic Content of Rock Art in Southern Africa.
<a href="http://www.press.uchicago.edu/books/HOC/HOC_V2_B3/HOC_VOLUME2_Book3_chapter2.pdf">
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/books/HOC/HOC_V2_B3/HOC_VOLUME2_Book3_chapter2.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In it he concludes: “At the present stage of research it seems there are no images that can be classified as terrestrial maps in the sense that they represent
an actual part of the land surface. There are also no substantial claims that any rock art can be interpreted as celestial maps”.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Africa [mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gavin Fleming<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 05, 2017 2:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Africa local chapter discussions<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo Africa] Maps of sub-saharan African cartography<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The HartRAO educational centre shows indigenous constellations (if that’s what you mean by space maps)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 04 Jul 2017, at 14:36, Douglas Anderson <<a href="mailto:djandersonza@gmail.com">djandersonza@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Aaah, hmm, the problem there is that prior to colonialism indigenous people were illiterate. Apart from rock paintings and engravings I know of no attempt at drawing maps. Maybe some-one at the Iziko Museum or UCT archaeological department
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 4 July 2017 at 13:31, Aslam Parker <<a href="mailto:Aslam.Parker@drdlr.gov.za" target="_blank">Aslam.Parker@drdlr.gov.za</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank you very much Doug, I appreciate the information</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I am actually looking for evidence of maps, or depiction of space/geography by indigenous people.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Africa [mailto:<a href="mailto:africa-bounces@lists">africa-bounces@lists</a>.<a href="http://osgeo.org/">osgeo.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Douglas Anderson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 04, 2017 1:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Africa local chapter discussions<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo Africa] Maps of sub-saharan African cartography</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">There is this map showing the distribution of the Khoi and San peoples in the Cape during the early stages of colonization and exploration<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">A very interesting 'What if' map can be found here<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Showing what Africa may've looked like had colonization by European countries not occurred, but it is speculative as Islamic colonization and indigenous colonization would alter
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi Aslam, the closest I have come to an indigenous map is a verbal route map or song-line that I heard in 2009 which described a route taken by herders from Pella in the northern
Cape as they went from waterhole to waterhole. I was able to follow the route during the recitation using your 1:250,000 map which had enough named points in common. Unfortunately we did not have a chance to record the audio/video. The herding route (described/sung
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On 4 July 2017 at 08:07, Aslam Parker <<a href="mailto:Aslam.Parker@drdlr.gov.za">Aslam.Parker@drdlr.gov.za</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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