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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>I follow, but the same is achievable by capturing the data (bearing and distance), and positioning such in relation to the abutting properties that presumably already exist on the system. Coordinates just create slivers on the edges as the odds are the new diagram differs from the adjoining diagram coordinates. Just the other day I differed by 1,5m with somebody else – nothing wrong with the surveys, we just used different coordinates. Capturing the coordinates does not actually mean that is where the property actually is. One would think that the capture of the relationships of properties would be more valuable so that as coordinates change the data is still valid.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Peter Newmarch<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Lebogang Modiba [mailto:inah.modiba@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 24, 2018 1:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> newmarch@land-surveyors.com; africa@lists.osgeo.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo Africa] CRS in use in South Africa<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Peter <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I understand that CSG is the only custodian for cadastral data but at times due to backlog their data is not updated and that puts a lot of pressure on us using the data and in meeting our deadlines.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We do report the missing data to their offices but at times it takes too long for them to update.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ms Lebogang<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 24 Jan 2018 13:05, "Peter Newmarch" <<a href="mailto:newmarch@land-surveyors.com">newmarch@land-surveyors.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Lebogang,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This is just a thought – but surely under the SDI act, the SGO is the Base data custodian – I know there are problems with data, but if people are calculating it themselves – how does one ever expect to have the “base data” corrected. Is it not easier to force a situation where all data comes from one source, all missing data goes through one source, and all changes in data goes through one source. ??<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Peter Newmarch</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> Lebogang Modiba [mailto:<a href="mailto:inah.modiba@gmail.com" target="_blank">inah.modiba@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 24, 2018 1:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:newmarch@land-surveyors.com" target="_blank">newmarch@land-surveyors.com</a>; <a href="mailto:africa@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">africa@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo Africa] CRS in use in South Africa<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi Peter<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The coordinates on the sg diagrams and general plans helps us alot especially in cases where the CSG spatial data recived from CSG offices are incomplete or somwtimes incorrect.We use those coordinates to update and validate the cadastral data.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There are times where you find that the whole township is missing from CSG spatial data and you require to work on that township urgently therefore waiting for CSG officials tonot update it for u not being an option.We use those coordinates to plot that whole township ourselves either using auto cad or ArcGIS.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I would request that there be education in helping GIS personnels in converting those coordinates into decimal degress rather removing them.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ms Lebogang Modiba<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 24 Jan 2018 12:50, "Peter Newmarch" <<a href="mailto:newmarch@land-surveyors.com" target="_blank">newmarch@land-surveyors.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I am interested in peoples thoughts on the Coordinates on diagrams and general plans. For surveyors its simply duplicated work and plays no part in the registration of the diagram or general plan. From what I can see it was needed in an era of time to assist in plotting things by hand on paper. Land Surveyors don’t use coordinates in reconstructing properties and replacing beacons so they really serve no purpose on the diagram or general plan. The information is still in the survey records as a separate coordinate list so the SG can plot the property appropriately.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>What are peoples thoughts about removing them and relying only on the SGO spatial data for such ?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:12.0pt'>Peter Newmarch</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Africa mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Africa@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Africa@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>You can UNSUBSCRIBE at <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>Africa mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Africa@lists.osgeo.org">Africa@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>You can UNSUBSCRIBE at <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>