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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Gavin,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If there is royalty on the data, the institution is obligated to pass such on and recover – even if public data. Similarly with any copyright restriction under which the data was obtained.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Exceptions to the user pay is of course the deeds office – where the legislation specifically says the user must pay (policies etc… cannot override an act of parliament).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Its certainly worthy having a wide discussion on this.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Peter<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Africa [mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gavin Fleming<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 15, 2018 12:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> Africa local chapter discussions <africa@lists.osgeo.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo Africa] Ideas on writing a petition to access municipal spatial data<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi all<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>'user pays' and 'cost recovery' are by law not applicable to public data in SA. Custodians of public data are allowed to charge a minimal fee for making the data available (such as writing a DVD) but not for the data. An example of a policy in this respect is <a href="https://www.westerncape.gov.za/text/2013/September/draft-pricing-of-spatial-info-policy.pdf">https://www.westerncape.gov.za/text/2013/September/draft-pricing-of-spatial-info-policy.pdf</a>.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And the economic benefits to the country of making the data free to the public without restrictions on use far outweigh the cost of capture and maintaining the data. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And it’s one thing to make the data free, another to make it accessible. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Some local efforts to make data accessible:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://data.gov.za/">http://data.gov.za/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://southafrica.opendataforafrica.org/">http://southafrica.opendataforafrica.org/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://opendata.capetown.gov.za/">http://opendata.capetown.gov.za/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wazimap.co.za/">https://wazimap.co.za/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>A group to collaborate with (were Code4SA): <a href="https://openup.org.za/">https://openup.org.za/</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Gavin<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 15 Feb 2018, at 09:20, Sindile Bidla <<a href="mailto:sindile.bidla@geoilocate.co.za">sindile.bidla@geoilocate.co.za</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Dear List,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Most municipalities in the country are making it difficult to access spatial data that has been paid for through our taxes:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>1. selling of spatial data<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>2. signing data agreements that prevent reuse<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>3. providing access to spatial data only if conducting a municipal project<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I am proposing that we start a petition in this regard, because government policy is quite clear with regard to access to spatial data.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>What I would like ideas on is:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>1. is there appetite from the community in this regard?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>2. should we have a single petition which will be sent to individual municipalities and key government department?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>3. is there an online platform that we could use?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>4. any other idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id=""><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=colour><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#888888'>Sindile XJ 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