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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">No <br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">(ESRI Vendor rubbing
their hands in glee at the captive market)<br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Government has rules
that are put in place for good reason.... Government has
policies and procedures and SOP manuals that dictate how
procurement is to be done, and what you may procure and what
your limitations are.</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Why are department
within Government ignoring/violating their own policies etc.
(OSS policy, MIOS ver 5 If you haven't read them do yourself a
favour and read them)<br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">The circular from NT
refers to cost containing measures, ALL procurement must take
place competitively based on a CLEAR specification. Product
based specification is expressly forbidden.</font></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/07/2018 13:13, Nhamo, Luxon
(IWMI-South Africa) wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That
is what the supplier wants. I do not see where the problem
is. If ESRI has managed to penetrate government through
their marketing strategies what’s the problem? Why can’t you
do the same with your products? If you can’t beat them join
them.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> Africa
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sindile Bidla<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 26 July 2018 12:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Africa local chapter discussions
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:africa@lists.osgeo.org"><africa@lists.osgeo.org></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Africa local chapter discussions
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:africa@lists.osgeo.org"><africa@lists.osgeo.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo Africa] ESRI in Government
and tender requirements<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">I
was also surprised by this requirement from DHS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">I
think what is best is those prejudiced by this
requirement to write to the Department and to seek a
response from the officials in the tender document.
If there is no satisfactory response to escalate the
matter to the Office of the DG and even National
Treasury.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour"><span
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XJ Bidla</span></span><span
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 10:23:48 +0200 <b>Aslam
Parker <<a
href="mailto:Aslam.Parker@drdlr.gov.za"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Aslam.Parker@drdlr.gov.za</a>></b>
wrote ----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span
class="size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi
Gavin</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span
class="size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span
class="size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
SITA circular does not state that you can
only use ESRI, rather that if ESRI is used,
there is only one accredited service
provider (that I am aware of). This has the
effect of speeding up the procurement
process significantly if ESRI
products/services are indeed a requirement,
especially when it comes to maintenance etc.</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span
class="size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span
class="size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Gavin,
ask for a copy of the circular. The National
Treasury Instruction 3 of 2017/2018 is about
cost cutting and makes no reference to ESRI.</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b></span><span
class="size"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">
Africa [mailto:<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gavin Fleming</span></span><span
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<span class="size"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
26 July 2018 10:10 AM</span><br>
<span class="size"><b>To:</b> Africa local
chapter discussions</span><br>
<span class="size"><b>Subject:</b> [OSGeo
Africa] ESRI in Government and tender
requirements</span></span><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Hi
all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">I
attended the briefing session for the
Department of Home Affairs geographical
accessibility study (Thanks Zoltan for the
heads-up).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">The
ToR states that the service provider has to
have ArcGIS. I asked for this requirement to
be removed since it does not matter what
software the service provider uses as long
as they deliver the result. The response
from DHA was that Govt has a ’transversal
ESRI licence’ and that all Govt departments
have to use ESRI! Never mind that this is
completely contrary to the FOSS policy
agreed to by Cabinet in 2007 and against
SITA procurement policy, if it even is true
that Govt is ‘has to’ use ESRI that does NOT
mean service providers have to. Nevertheless
I got a vocal support from other attendees
as this requirement is ridiculous and
exclusionary. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">DHA
went further to say they want service
providers to use ArcGIS so they don’t end up
with issues using the data that service
providers deliver. They are confusing
software with data and don’t seem to be
aware (or are so brainwashed) that most
formats produced by most GIS software these
days are completely interoperable.
Furthermore they are unaware of and indeed
flouting the MIOS (SA Govt Minimum
Interoperability Standards).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Even
worse and quite nonsensical is this formal
response from DHA to all attendees of the
briefing session:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span class="font"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Arial
Narrow",sans-serif">Relating to
SITA circular 1 of 2017/18 and National
Treasury SCM circular 3 of 2017/8, it is
a requirement that all Government
departments make use of ESRI South
Africa for software and therefore the
format required will be in Arc GIS
format.</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Firstly
there is no such thing as ‘Arc GIS format’.
Secondly this is blatantly incorrect (and
illegal if it is true). Lastly, can anyone
enlighten the list as to the contents of the
two circulars mentioned and whether they
even support this argument?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Your
thoughts? Anyone willing to take action?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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