<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Please could somebody send me these circulars referred to. I wish to investigate.<div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Peter.<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 26 Jul 2018, at 15:54, Llewellyn Gush <<a href="mailto:llewellyn@jgdm.gov.za">llewellyn@jgdm.gov.za</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Thank you</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">So. please tell me
where it says that you are obliged to procure ESRI only? <br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">The main gist of all of
this is!!! "Cost containment". How much more cost effective is
R0-00 (Eish it makes me cry)<br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><font face="Helvetica,
Arial, sans-serif">Nice but still does not address the real
issue.</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Government have
negotiated preferential agreements with certain suppliers, did
they go through their own designated process to do this or was
it "short circuited?"<br>
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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Should an alternative
solution be capable of doing the job, why are departments not
being truthful and allowing these solutions to be part of the
process. There is nowhere in either circular that stipulates
what MUST be used, only that preferential agreements are in
place.</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">The Open Source
solutions that are considered alternatives may be just as
capable for the specified application, but unless a detailed
needs specification has been done, then no one will know and the
procurement remains irregular.</font></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/07/2018 15:00, Sindile Bidla
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"sans-serif""><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">I’m sure the term should
be “ESRI ( Application and version no.)
compatible” format. We have specced many
contracts and we always use the “compatible”
term. If there were data issues from previous
projects, one can introduce a caveat as to why a
proprietary software must be used, but this
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"sans-serif""><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"> Africa [mailto:<a target="_blank" href="mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" moz-do-not-send="true">africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gavin Fleming<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 26, 2018 10:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Africa local chapter discussions<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [OSGeo Africa] ESRI in
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<p class="x_-2104273938MsoNormal">I attended the
briefing session for the Department of Home Affairs
geographical accessibility study (Thanks Zoltan for
the heads-up).<br>
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<p class="x_-2104273938MsoNormal">The ToR states that
the service provider has to have ArcGIS. I asked for
this requirement to be removed since it does not
matter what software the service provider uses as
long as they deliver the result. The response from
DHA was that Govt has a ’transversal ESRI licence’
and that all Govt departments have to use ESRI!
Never mind that this is completely contrary to the
FOSS policy agreed to by Cabinet in 2007 and against
SITA procurement policy, if it even is true that
Govt is ‘has to’ use ESRI that does NOT mean service
providers have to. Nevertheless I got a vocal
support from other attendees as this requirement is
ridiculous and exclusionary. <br>
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<p class="x_-2104273938MsoNormal">DHA went further to
say they want service providers to use ArcGIS so
they don’t end up with issues using the data that
service providers deliver. They are confusing
software with data and don’t seem to be aware (or
are so brainwashed) that most formats produced by
most GIS software these days are completely
interoperable. Furthermore they are unaware of and
indeed flouting the MIOS (SA Govt Minimum
Interoperability Standards).<br>
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<p class="x_-2104273938MsoNormal">Even worse and quite
nonsensical is this formal response from DHA to all
attendees of the briefing session:<br>
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<li style="margin-bottom: 7.95pt; line-height: 107%" class="x_-2104273938MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial Narrow",
"sans-serif"">Relating to SITA
circular 1 of 2017/18 and National Treasury SCM
circular 3 of 2017/8, it is a requirement that
all Government departments make use of ESRI
South Africa for software and therefore the
format required will be in Arc GIS format.</span><br>
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<p class="x_-2104273938MsoNormal">Firstly there is no
such thing as ‘Arc GIS format’. Secondly this is
blatantly incorrect (and illegal if it is true).
Lastly, can anyone enlighten the list as to the
contents of the two circulars mentioned and whether
they even support this argument?<br>
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<p class="x_-2104273938MsoNormal">Your thoughts?
Anyone willing to take action?<br>
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<p class="x_-2104273938MsoNormal">regards<br>
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