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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That is what the supplier wants. I do not see where the problem is. If ESRI has managed to penetrate government through their marketing
strategies what’s the problem? Why can’t you do the same with your products? If you can’t beat them join them.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sindile Bidla<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 26 July 2018 12:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Africa local chapter discussions <africa@lists.osgeo.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Africa local chapter discussions <africa@lists.osgeo.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo Africa] ESRI in Government and tender requirements<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">I was also surprised by this requirement from DHS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">I think what is best is those prejudiced by this requirement to write to the Department and to seek a response from the officials in the tender document. If there
is no satisfactory response to escalate the matter to the Office of the DG and even National Treasury.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#888888">Sindile XJ Bidla</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">---- On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 10:23:48 +0200 <b>Aslam Parker <<a href="mailto:Aslam.Parker@drdlr.gov.za" target="_blank">Aslam.Parker@drdlr.gov.za</a>></b> wrote ----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span class="size"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi Gavin</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span class="size"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span class="size"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The SITA circular does not state that you can only use ESRI, rather that if ESRI is used, there is only one accredited
service provider (that I am aware of). This has the effect of speeding up the procurement process significantly if ESRI products/services are indeed a requirement, especially when it comes to maintenance etc.</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span class="size"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span class="size"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Gavin, ask for a copy of the circular. The National Treasury Instruction 3 of 2017/2018 is about cost cutting and makes
no reference to ESRI.</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span class="size"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b></span><span class="size"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">
Africa [mailto:<a href="mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gavin Fleming</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><br>
<span class="size"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 26 July 2018 10:10 AM</span><br>
<span class="size"><b>To:</b> Africa local chapter discussions</span><br>
<span class="size"><b>Subject:</b> [OSGeo Africa] ESRI in Government and tender requirements</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Hi all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">I attended the briefing session for the Department of Home Affairs geographical accessibility study (Thanks Zoltan for the heads-up).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">The ToR states that the service provider has to have ArcGIS. I asked for this requirement to be removed since it does not matter what software
the service provider uses as long as they deliver the result. The response from DHA was that Govt has a ’transversal ESRI licence’ and that all Govt departments have to use ESRI! Never mind that this is completely contrary to the FOSS policy agreed to by Cabinet
in 2007 and against SITA procurement policy, if it even is true that Govt is ‘has to’ use ESRI that does NOT mean service providers have to. Nevertheless I got a vocal support from other attendees as this requirement is ridiculous and exclusionary. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">DHA went further to say they want service providers to use ArcGIS so they don’t end up with issues using the data that service providers deliver.
They are confusing software with data and don’t seem to be aware (or are so brainwashed) that most formats produced by most GIS software these days are completely interoperable. Furthermore they are unaware of and indeed flouting the MIOS (SA Govt Minimum
Interoperability Standards).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Even worse and quite nonsensical is this formal response from DHA to all attendees of the briefing session:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span class="font"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Arial Narrow",sans-serif">Relating to SITA circular 1 of 2017/18 and National Treasury SCM circular 3 of 2017/8, it is a requirement that all Government departments make use of ESRI
South Africa for software and therefore the format required will be in Arc GIS format.</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="x-706359266x608141673msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Firstly there is no such thing as ‘Arc GIS format’. Secondly this is blatantly incorrect (and illegal if it is true). Lastly, can anyone enlighten
the list as to the contents of the two circulars mentioned and whether they even support this argument?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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