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    <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Thank you</font></p>
    <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">So. please tell me
        where it says that you are obliged to procure ESRI only? <br>
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    <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">The main gist of all of
        this is!!! "Cost containment". How much more cost effective is
        R0-00 (Eish it makes me cry)<br>
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    <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><font face="Helvetica,
          Arial, sans-serif">Nice but still does not address the real
          issue.</font></font></p>
    <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Government have
        negotiated preferential agreements with certain suppliers, did
        they go through their own designated process to do this or was
        it "short circuited?"<br>
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    <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Should an alternative
        solution be capable of doing the job, why are departments not
        being truthful and allowing these solutions to be part of the
        process. There is nowhere in either circular that stipulates
        what MUST be used, only that preferential agreements are in
        place.</font></p>
    <p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">The Open Source
        solutions that are considered alternatives may be just as
        capable for the specified application, but unless a detailed
        needs specification has been done, then no one will know and the
        procurement remains irregular.</font></p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/07/2018 15:00, Sindile Bidla
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            <div>---- On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 11:34:47 +0200 <b>Abraham
                Parbhunath <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ParbhuA@eskom.co.za"><ParbhuA@eskom.co.za></a></b> wrote ----<br>
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                        style="font-size:11pt">I’m sure the term should
                        be “ESRI ( Application  and version no.)
                        compatible” format.  We have specced many
                        contracts and we always use the “compatible”
                        term.  If there were data issues from previous
                        projects, one can introduce a caveat as to why a
                        proprietary software must be used, but this
                        should be backed by facts.</span></span></span><br>
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                          style="font-size:10pt"> Africa [mailto:<a
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                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gavin Fleming<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 26, 2018 10:10 AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> Africa local chapter discussions<br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> [OSGeo Africa] ESRI in
                          Government and tender requirements</span></span></p>
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                <p class="x_-2104273938MsoNormal">Hi all<br>
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                  <p class="x_-2104273938MsoNormal">I attended the
                    briefing session for the Department of Home Affairs
                    geographical accessibility study (Thanks Zoltan for
                    the heads-up).<br>
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                  <p class="x_-2104273938MsoNormal">The ToR states that
                    the service provider has to have ArcGIS. I asked for
                    this requirement to be removed since it does not
                    matter what software the service provider uses as
                    long as they deliver the result. The response from
                    DHA was that Govt has a ’transversal ESRI licence’
                    and that all Govt departments have to use ESRI!
                    Never mind that this is completely contrary to the
                    FOSS policy agreed to by Cabinet in 2007 and against
                    SITA procurement policy, if it even is true that
                    Govt is ‘has to’ use ESRI that does NOT mean service
                    providers have to. Nevertheless I got a vocal
                    support from other attendees as this requirement is
                    ridiculous and exclusionary. <br>
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                  <p class="x_-2104273938MsoNormal">DHA went further to
                    say they want service providers to use ArcGIS so
                    they don’t end up with issues using the data that
                    service providers deliver. They are confusing
                    software with data and don’t seem to be aware (or
                    are so brainwashed) that most formats produced by
                    most GIS software these days are completely
                    interoperable. Furthermore they are unaware of and
                    indeed flouting the MIOS (SA Govt Minimum
                    Interoperability Standards).<br>
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                  <p class="x_-2104273938MsoNormal">Even worse and quite
                    nonsensical is this formal response from DHA to all
                    attendees of the briefing session:<br>
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                      class="x_-2104273938MsoNormal"><span class="font"
                        style="font-family:"Arial Narrow",
                        "sans-serif"">Relating to SITA
                        circular 1 of 2017/18 and National Treasury SCM
                        circular 3 of 2017/8, it is a requirement that
                        all Government departments make use of ESRI
                        South Africa for software and therefore the
                        format required will be in Arc GIS format.</span><br>
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                  <p class="x_-2104273938MsoNormal">Firstly there is no
                    such thing as ‘Arc GIS format’. Secondly this is
                    blatantly incorrect (and illegal if it is true).
                    Lastly, can anyone enlighten the list as to the
                    contents of the two circulars mentioned and whether
                    they even support this argument?<br>
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                  <p class="x_-2104273938MsoNormal">Your thoughts?
                    Anyone willing to take action?<br>
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                  <p class="x_-2104273938MsoNormal">regards<br>
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                  <p class="x_-2104273938MsoNormal">Gavin<br>
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      Llewellyn Gush<br>
      Information Technology Manager<br>
      Joe Gqabi District Municipality<br>
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