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Hi List,<br>
To me, this is exactly the problem bodies like GISSA and SAGI need
tackle.<br>
These Institutes/Societies are "there for their members", whereas
the Professional bodies (SAGC) are their for their "Members'
clients" (very broadly speaking).<br>
GISSA charges a pittance for its membership fees. <br>
SAGI doesn't (charge a pittance), but SAGI gets things done - more
for their surveyors at this stage, but as their professional
approach swings more to the GISc side, that is where things will
start to happen for us (GISc types).<br>
Join one, and become an evangelist/rabble-rouser or whatever you
need to be in order to start swinging the tide.<br>
<br>
It is ludicrous that in this age of technology we are told that a
hand-brush is needed to maintain the data, so now use a hand-brush
to capture it all.<br>
<br>
Perhaps start by looking hard at the import/export options on ESRI
products, and finding a way in through those methodologies.<br>
Once the users see that data flows easily in and out of Arc, the
next step can be taken.<br>
<br>
Hope this thought helps.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Zoltan<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018/07/30 07:37, Angie Atkinson
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi
Everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
have just read all the comments and replies with regards to
the requirement that one uses ESRI.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Something
we have come across and what is a concern for us as well is
that in most of the tenders, and will more than likely soon
be come all tenders, stipulates that one needs to provide
the municipality / government department with an ARC Map
Package, no other software is compatible with this except
for ARC, so unless the TORs states that one can provide
shapefiles compatible with ESRI/ARC you will need to have
ARC so that you can comply with the TOR requesting a Map
Package.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Many
of the Government Departments we work with have indicated
that the ARC Map Package is the ARC GIS Format they are
referring to when asking for data, some have amended the
TORs to indicate that the data needs to be provided in ARC
Map Package format.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Angie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Africa
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org"><africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org></a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Gavin Fleming<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 26 July 2018 10:10<br>
<b>To:</b> Africa local chapter discussions
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:africa@lists.osgeo.org"><africa@lists.osgeo.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [OSGeo Africa] ESRI in Government and
tender requirements<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I attended the briefing session for the
Department of Home Affairs geographical accessibility study
(Thanks Zoltan for the heads-up).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The ToR states that the service provider
has to have ArcGIS. I asked for this requirement to be
removed since it does not matter what software the service
provider uses as long as they deliver the result. The
response from DHA was that Govt has a ’transversal ESRI
licence’ and that all Govt departments have to use ESRI!
Never mind that this is completely contrary to the FOSS
policy agreed to by Cabinet in 2007 and against SITA
procurement policy, if it even is true that Govt is ‘has to’
use ESRI that does NOT mean service providers have to.
Nevertheless I got a vocal support from other attendees as
this requirement is ridiculous and exclusionary. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">DHA went further to say they want service
providers to use ArcGIS so they don’t end up with issues
using the data that service providers deliver. They are
confusing software with data and don’t seem to be aware (or
are so brainwashed) that most formats produced by most GIS
software these days are completely interoperable.
Furthermore they are unaware of and indeed flouting the MIOS
(SA Govt Minimum Interoperability Standards).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Even worse and quite nonsensical is this
formal response from DHA to all attendees of the briefing
session:<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:7.95pt;line-height:107%;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1"><span style="font-family:"Arial
Narrow",sans-serif">Relating to SITA circular 1 of
2017/18 and National Treasury SCM circular 3 of 2017/8,
it is a requirement that all Government departments make
use of ESRI South Africa for software and therefore the
format required will be in Arc GIS format.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">Firstly there is no such thing as ‘Arc
GIS format’. Secondly this is blatantly incorrect (and
illegal if it is true). Lastly, can anyone enlighten the
list as to the contents of the two circulars mentioned and
whether they even support this argument?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Your thoughts? Anyone willing to take
action?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Gavin<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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