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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Walter,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I share your sentiments. Selling a client something they don’t need or more than what is called for is wrong and if people are SAGC registered, they should account for such.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>In fact the SAGC code of conduct actually obligates every registered person to report such if they come across any wrongdoing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Peter</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Africa <africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Walter Smit<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:44 AM<br><b>To:</b> Africa local chapter discussions <africa@lists.osgeo.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo Africa] ESRI in Government and tender requirements<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>What I want to know is: who is the person from ESRI who provided that spec? Who is that person who is deliberately selling something that he/she KNOWS the client does not need. That is totally unethical!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I want that person’s details and if he/she is registered with SAGC – I am reporting him/her. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>It is just as unethical as to tell a builder he needs 10 000 bags of cement, when you know he only needs 100.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=imprintuniqueid><span lang=EN-ZA> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Africa [<a href="mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gavin Fleming<br><b>Sent:</b> 15 October 2018 22:20<br><b>To:</b> Africa local chapter discussions <<a href="mailto:africa@lists.osgeo.org">africa@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:records@gsibande.gov.za">records@gsibande.gov.za</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo Africa] ESRI in Government and tender requirements<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>Hi Xolisile <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>Herewith the ’tender notice’. I do wonder why they’re removed it from their website. They are cc’d so perhaps they can respond. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>On 15 Oct 2018, at 16:59, Xolisile Gcobo <<a href="mailto:xolisilegcobo@gmail.com">xolisilegcobo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>Hi all, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>Gavin, it seems the link has been disabled and that does not necessarily mean it is cancelled. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>Would you kindly load the specification for us to view and see how we can participate in taking the matter forwards.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>Xolisile GCOBO<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>Africa Geospatial Perspective DSS<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 07:05, Gavin Fleming <<a href="mailto:gavinjfleming@gmail.com">gavinjfleming@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>To continue this thread, here is another tender that should be cancelled forthwith: <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>Gert Sibande District Municipality TENDER NO GSDM: 72/2018 GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEM (GIS): SOFTWARE LICENSING AND SUPPORT FOR A PERIOD OF THIRTY SIX (36) MONTHS [1]<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><a href="https://gs.arimur.co.za/index.php?option=com_zoo&task=item&item_id=5431&category_id=58&Itemid=287" target="_blank">https://gs.arimur.co.za/index.php?option=com_zoo&task=item&item_id=5431&category_id=58&Itemid=287</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>Flaws include:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>- This purports to be a tender but is no more than a regurgitated ESRI quotation without prices.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>- Govt entities are not allowed to request specific software but have to request a solution and preferably go for an open source offering<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>- There is no functional requirement (so they’re just buying it, it doesn’t have to do anything): “This tender will not be subjected to functionality evaluation”<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>- Their ‘bill of quantities’ for ESRI software is complete overkill. They don’t have the staff to expertise to use even half of those licences.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>- how is this competitive when there’s only one company that can respond?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>- “Tenderers must have the necessary skills, experience and capacity to perform the required work”. What work is there in selling licences?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>- Their previous ESRI ELA has actually ended and this is a thinly veiled attempt at renewing it, which is not allowed, yet they state “The Gert Sibande District Municipality (GSDM) is in a process of maintaining the existing Service Level Agreement (SLA-ELA) with regard to licensing and maintenance of its GIS, which is established on the Arc Suite of products”. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>- Gert Sibande DM has already spent millions of Rands on ESRI software and now are being duped into spending more and becoming more locked into one vendor. I guess the free conference trips are an appealing sweetener. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>- In the current state of the economy with austerity measures in place this smacks of wasteful if not reckless expenditure.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>- It’s not published on the central Govt tender portal (<a href="http://www.etenders.gov.za/content/advertised-tenders" target="_blank">http://www.etenders.gov.za/content/advertised-tenders</a>) where all Govt tenders are supposed to be published. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>- Since there are no services requested in the ’tender’ other than “support”, they should be saving themselves the trouble and expense of procuring software and instead install all open source themselves and rather put out a tender just for support services.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>Please share other examples (there must be hundreds) and let’s get a grassroots movement going to change the status quo. We need a level playing field and Govt must speed up implementation of the 2007 open source policy. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>Every time you see a tender like this, push back to get it withdrawn and re-issued under fair and legal terms.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>Anyone want to help tackle this one or are we going to just let this abuse of public funds continue?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>Gavin<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>On 03 Aug 2018, at 21:29, Kashmira <<a href="mailto:kashmirab@gmail.com" target="_blank">kashmirab@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>Thanks <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>However we should also get assurance from SITA to not prescribe ESRI but rather allow the choices of software to be more transparent that also goes for the prescribed SAP choice.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>Kashmira <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>On Fri, 03 Aug 2018, 4:48 PM Sindile Bidla, <<a href="mailto:sindile.bidla@geoilocate.co.za" target="_blank">sindile.bidla@geoilocate.co.za</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Dear List,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>The Department of Home Affairs has canceled the geographical accessibility study tender. Hopefully the new tender will not unfairly disadvantage other players in the sector.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="x_m_4300173358865181900m_6244440521931085794Zm-_Id_-Sgn"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794colour><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#888888'>Sindile XJ Bidla</span></span><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794size><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Geoilocate</span></b></span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></td></tr></table></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id="x_m_4300173358865181900m_6244440521931085794Zm-_Id_-Sgn1"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>---- On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 10:08:39 +0200 <b>Sindile Bidla <<a href="mailto:sindile.bidla@geoilocate.co.za" target="_blank">sindile.bidla@geoilocate.co.za</a>></b> wrote ----<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 5.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Dear List<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Those who are concerned by this issue could perhaps raise it with the CFO (I have sent him an email and spoke to him on the phone). <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>This creates a defacto monopoly with regards to GIS services in Government and does not encourage the emergence of other players.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794colour><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#888888'>Sindile XJ Bidla</span></span><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>---- On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 08:30:45 +0200 <b>Zoltan <<a href="mailto:zoltans@geograph.co.za" target="_blank">zoltans@geograph.co.za</a>></b> wrote ----<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 5.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Hi List,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>To me, this is exactly the problem bodies like GISSA and SAGI need tackle.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>These Institutes/Societies are "there for their members", whereas the Professional bodies (SAGC) are their for their "Members' clients" (very broadly speaking).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>GISSA charges a pittance for its membership fees. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>SAGI doesn't (charge a pittance), but SAGI gets things done - more for their surveyors at this stage, but as their professional approach swings more to the GISc side, that is where things will start to happen for us (GISc types).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Join one, and become an evangelist/rabble-rouser or whatever you need to be in order to start swinging the tide.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>It is ludicrous that in this age of technology we are told that a hand-brush is needed to maintain the data, so now use a hand-brush to capture it all.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Perhaps start by looking hard at the import/export options on ESRI products, and finding a way in through those methodologies.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Once the users see that data flows easily in and out of Arc, the next step can be taken.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Hope this thought helps.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Zoltan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>On 2018/07/30 07:37, Angie Atkinson wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><pre><span lang=EN-ZA>-- <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-ZA>=============================================<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-ZA>Zoltan Szecsei GPrGISc 0031<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-ZA>Geograph (Pty) Ltd.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-ZA>GIS and Photogrammetric Services<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-ZA>P.O. Box 7, Muizenberg 7950, South Africa.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-ZA>Mobile: +27-83-6004028<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-ZA>Fax: +27-86-6115323 <a href="http://www.geograph.co.za/" target="_blank">www.geograph.co.za</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-ZA>=============================================<o:p></o:p></span></pre></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Africa mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:Africa@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Africa@lists.osgeo.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>You can UNSUBSCRIBE at <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Hi Everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I have just read all the comments and replies with regards to the requirement that one uses ESRI.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Something we have come across and what is a concern for us as well is that in most of the tenders, and will more than likely soon be come all tenders, stipulates that one needs to provide the municipality / government department with an ARC Map Package, no other software is compatible with this except for ARC, so unless the TORs states that one can provide shapefiles compatible with ESRI/ARC you will need to have ARC so that you can comply with the TOR requesting a Map Package.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Many of the Government Departments we work with have indicated that the ARC Map Package is the ARC GIS Format they are referring to when asking for data, some have amended the TORs to indicate that the data needs to be provided in ARC Map Package format.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Angie<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><b><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> Africa <a href="mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"><africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gavin Fleming<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 26 July 2018 10:10<br><b>To:</b> Africa local chapter discussions <a href="mailto:africa@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"><africa@lists.osgeo.org></a><br><b>Subject:</b> [OSGeo Africa] ESRI in Government and tender requirements<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Hi all<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I attended the briefing session for the Department of Home Affairs geographical accessibility study (Thanks Zoltan for the heads-up).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>The ToR states that the service provider has to have ArcGIS. I asked for this requirement to be removed since it does not matter what software the service provider uses as long as they deliver the result. The response from DHA was that Govt has a ’transversal ESRI licence’ and that all Govt departments have to use ESRI! Never mind that this is completely contrary to the FOSS policy agreed to by Cabinet in 2007 and against SITA procurement policy, if it even is true that Govt is ‘has to’ use ESRI that does NOT mean service providers have to. Nevertheless I got a vocal support from other attendees as this requirement is ridiculous and exclusionary. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>DHA went further to say they want service providers to use ArcGIS so they don’t end up with issues using the data that service providers deliver. They are confusing software with data and don’t seem to be aware (or are so brainwashed) that most formats produced by most GIS software these days are completely interoperable. Furthermore they are unaware of and indeed flouting the MIOS (SA Govt Minimum Interoperability Standards).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Even worse and quite nonsensical is this formal response from DHA to all attendees of the briefing session:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:7.95pt;line-height:105%;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Relating to SITA circular 1 of 2017/18 and National Treasury SCM circular 3 of 2017/8, it is a requirement that all Government departments make use of ESRI South Africa for software and therefore the format required will be in Arc GIS format.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Firstly there is no such thing as ‘Arc GIS format’. Secondly this is blatantly incorrect (and illegal if it is true). Lastly, can anyone enlighten the list as to the contents of the two circulars mentioned and whether they even support this argument?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Your thoughts? Anyone willing to take action?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>regards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Gavin<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=xm4300173358865181900m6244440521931085794x1902028249x-1520971826msonormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><pre><span lang=EN-ZA>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-ZA>Africa mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-ZA><a href="mailto:Africa@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Africa@lists.osgeo.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-ZA>You can UNSUBSCRIBE at <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>_______________________________________________<br>Africa mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Africa@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Africa@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>You can UNSUBSCRIBE at <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><1.png>_______________________________________________<br>Africa mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Africa@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Africa@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>You can UNSUBSCRIBE at <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>_______________________________________________<br>Africa mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Africa@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Africa@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>You can UNSUBSCRIBE at <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA>_______________________________________________<br>Africa mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Africa@lists.osgeo.org">Africa@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>You can UNSUBSCRIBE at <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>