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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019/10/18 09:47, oripfa sigidane
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              I totally agree with you, what I do not understand is that
              the complaint is only related to Esri related tenders. Yet
              there is a tender at SANRAL that mentions another service
              provider yet the is no complaint about it on this forum.
              So now this begs the question, is it a sole attack on
              Esri? If so why? <br>
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    <p>I do not think this is sorely an attack on Esri but since they
      are enjoying the biggest slice of the cake they  get mentioned a
      lot. It's just the nature of life. The same principle applies to
      open source GIS desktop software when people refer to QGIS it
      doesn't mean it's the only viable option there. Because it is more
      popular it will be used as a reference point.<br>
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      Even if they are not implementing a system from scratch I think it
      would still be viable to use an open-source package and some of
      the money that could have been used for licenses would be
      transferred to train the staff and other relates task i.e
      (documentation, update features in software). Projects like QGIS
      are where they are right now because some organizations and
      municipalities that have taken the initiative to dig into the
      open-source world irrespective of their prior engagements with
      proprietary software.<br>
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      Open Source GIS always gets flake for lack of support but if you
      read 
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/commercial_support.html">https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/commercial_support.html</a> you
      can see that there are a lot of companies offering QGIS Support.<br>
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      For the database, you can read the
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://themagiscian.com/2016/11/21/the-simple-and-free-postgis-vs-the-complex-and-expensive-oracle-spatial/">http://themagiscian.com/2016/11/21/the-simple-and-free-postgis-vs-the-complex-and-expensive-oracle-spatial/</a>.
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      For a comparison of GIS, Servers read
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.digital-geography.com/arcgis-server-vs-open-source-gis-solutions">http://www.digital-geography.com/arcgis-server-vs-open-source-gis-solutions</a><br>
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      For a comparison of GIS Desktop solutions
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://gisgeography.com/qgis-arcgis-differences">https://gisgeography.com/qgis-arcgis-differences</a>.</p>
    <p>The above links showcase that Open Source is well capable of
      handling the tasks already being done by other proprietary
      software. I think the initial message was just to reiterate that
      these tenders are not fair and are exclusionary. GIS should be
      more about the processes rather than the software and if the
      current software follows industry standards ( i.e
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.opengeospatial.org/standards">https://www.opengeospatial.org/standards</a>) then it should not be
      difficult to migrate from one setup to the other.</p>
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              <div id="divRplyFwdMsg"><strong>From:</strong> Africa
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                Abraham Parbhunath <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ParbhuA@eskom.co.za"><ParbhuA@eskom.co.za></a><br>
                <strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, 16 October 2019, 22:25<br>
                <strong>To:</strong> Africa local chapter discussions<br>
                <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [OSGeo Africa] Another
                illegal GIS RfQ<br>
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                  <div class="PlainText">I'm not sure if I fully agree
                    with you.  Yes, if they were implementing a system
                    from scratch then this is not 'kosher'.  However if
                    you already have an implemented system, have
                    invested money and training on your staff, maybe
                    even automated some processes and you just need to
                    procure a few more licences and support, then this
                    is definitely not illegal.  There are many smaller
                    resellers who earn a living from responding to these
                    kind of tenders.<br>
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                    Regards<br>
                    Abraham Parbhunath<br>
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                    From: Africa <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org"><africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org></a>
                    On Behalf Of Gavin Fleming<br>
                    Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:37<br>
                    To: Africa local chapter discussions
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                    Subject: [OSGeo Africa] Another illegal GIS RfQ<br>
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                    this time, Umungundlovu DM not even trying to hide
                    names.<br>
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                    Government entities are not allowed to simply renew
                    contracts like these ELAs. They have to go out to
                    *open* tender to test the market for alternative
                    solutions and lower prices.<br>
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                    <a
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                    Now how many firms can compete for this one?<br>
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