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    Hi Chris,<br>
    Sorry (not really :-) ), but you deserve to be flamed for your
    narrow minded comment below.<br>
    <br>
    It is narrow-viewed bullsh*t like your comment below that likely
    helps perpetuate the divisions between open source and closed
    source.<br>
    <br>
    There are always valid (and invalid) reasons for ANY choices made.<br>
    We should be evangelising coexistence and not divisions - that help
    would strengthen open source in a positive way.<br>
    <br>
    My 2c  (USD cents :-)  )<br>
    <br>
    Zoltan<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020/01/09 11:51, Chris Berens
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi Mari, 
        <div>If you are new to ArcGis then jump ship to <a
            href="https://qgis.org/en/site/index.html"
            moz-do-not-send="true">QGIS</a> asap. Almost nobody uses
          ArcGis anymore. The composer window in QGIS is especially
          helpful.
          <div>Best wishes,</div>
          <div>Chris</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 at 10:51,
          Mari Nienaber <<a href="mailto:geodraftmari@gmail.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">geodraftmari@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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            <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">I
              am new to Arcgis , I can not get my layout to the same
              zoomed in area as my data view . </div>
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            <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Mari</div>
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