<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">IMO:</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Sorry to drag this conversation out.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">We need to be realistic as to what can
and can't be achieved here. Don't expect an overnight change in policy.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Speaking to the converted, this has
been a pressing issue that has been bubbling away for over a decade in
many countries.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Not all countries have the liberal approaches
to data redistriburion that are prevalent in the US, Canada etc.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Many countries have very restrictive
policies. The policies also vary internally within countries and between
jurisdictions.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Many organisations charge for access
to data and the income received then becomes a budget item that contributes
to the organisation's ongoing funding. This happens in Australia for example,
excluding GeoScience Australia and several other agencies excellent examples..</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">This is not going to be changed easily
and will involve long drawn out processes that include the likes of various
Treasury departments.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Speaking as one who is working in a
government organisation, I'd caution a softly softly approach. I would
not be demanding that licences are changed or that we have a waiver on
acknowledging where the data has come from.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I'd prefer not to try and tackle OSM's
aversion to attribution either. Personally, I can not understand this approach.
I prefer to understand where my data has come from and have a clear understanding
of the data's lineage and quality. This in turn gives me a measure of comfort
in the results of my analysis. We in the spatial world have a thing called
metadata to help us manage these things. When we have integrated data sets
with data sourced from a variety of sources it adds weight to the calls
for record level metadata.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">wrt to hippies, Richard I think that
you will be surprised at the level of interest in Linux and Open Source
within Government organisations. I certainly do not hear this type of derisive
comment.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">So as a way forward, a simple approach
that specifically relates to OSGeo use of LINZ data may be the best way
to get a quick answer. </font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">We do not want to alienate a potentially
influential supporter of OSGeo.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Liz, do you have any comments?</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Bruce Bannerman</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
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<br>
<br><font size=2><tt>geodata-bounces@lists.osgeo.org wrote on 30/04/2008
06:40:15 AM:<br>
<br>
> Yes Brent,<br>
> Could you please approach LINZ on behalf on OSGeo-Aust-NZ. This should
<br>
> probably be followed up with an official letter from the committee.
I'm <br>
> happy to help there if needed.<br>
> <br>
> I suggest you also contact Liz Kolster (CCed) from the State Services
<br>
> Commission who is well connected, shares our ideals of Open Data,
and <br>
> has the potential to put wheels in motion to change NZ policy. (I
<br>
> understand she is very busy this week, you may have better luck next
week).<br>
> <br>
> To help Liz and others in the halls of power, we need to be very clear
<br>
> about what we are asking for, and the business case to support it
(from <br>
> a government perspective).<br>
> <br>
> Direct references to policies from other countries would be very useful.
<br>
> (Pointers to these policy docs would be appreciated).<br>
> <br>
> So questions we need to answer is:<br>
> 1. What are our preferences for licenses?<br>
> <br>
> 2. Why are such licenses good for New Zealand?<br>
> A: Access to this data enables business opportunities for New Zealanders.<br>
> A: Projects like OSM will provide value add services at next to no
cost.<br>
> <br>
> 3. Who will host the data?<br>
> A:<br>
> <br>
> 4. Who will maintain the data?<br>
> <br>
> Mmm, I can see this turning into a white paper. Before getting bogged
<br>
> down, start by making some phone calls.<br>
> <br>
> Dave Patton wrote:<br>
> > Brent Wood wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> My take on this is that rather than trying to get LINZ to
pre-approve<br>
> >> a specific OSGEO setup using LINZ data (& other data-
I can think of<br>
> >> at least 4 NZ Govt depts who have relevant data), it may
be more<br>
> >> useful to get a generic agreement from LINZ to the effect
that they<br>
> >> are comfortable with the idea of LINZ data, under the terms
of their<br>
> >> licence, being made freely available on public websites for
viewing<br>
> >> via web mapping applications, web services and for download.<br>
> >><br>
> >> This more generic agreement, if given, would allow anyone
to do this,<br>
> >> rather than just OSGEO/OSM, and doesn't put LINZ in the position
of<br>
> >> seeming to endorse any particular organisation to do this.<br>
> ><br>
> > Perhaps asking if they have considered a<br>
> > license agreement similar to that used by<br>
> > other countries? For example, Canada:<br>
> > http://geobase.ca/geobase/en/index.html<br>
> ><br>
> <br>
> <br>
> -- <br>
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