Hi,<br><br>Apologies for being slack in getting back to the list..been moving country, house, job etc<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
If we are to host this data via OSGeo, I would prefer to do so with LINZ's<br>
blessing, rather than through an interpretation of a license agreement.</blockquote><div><br>>>I have had some previous contact with LINZ re: using LINZ topo in OSM and would be happy to provide details of this communication offline <br>
</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
There have been some encouraging actions towards OSGeo and OS spatial<br>
software from the NZ Government.<br>
<br>
Would you like to approach Brendan acting in your position as a Director<br>
(elect) of OSGeo-AustNZ?</blockquote><div><br>>>I am not 100% whether the NZGeospatial Office has any control over the legal distribution of LINZ data - my contacts were within the product and legal teams<br></div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
<br>
<br>
If not, I'm happy to do so.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Bruce Bannerman<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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<a href="mailto:geodata-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">geodata-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a> wrote on 28/04/2008 06:21:47 PM:<br>
<br>
><br>
> To summarise the situation regarding this:<br>
><br>
> I have an offer to supply NZTopo, cadastral including road_cl but<br>
without<br>
> survey marks & some StatsNZ boundaries.<br>
><br>
> Some other datasets such as EEZ, Territorial Sea, etc are probably<br>
available.<br>
> The LINZ geotiff orthos' are available.<br>
><br>
> I have an OSGEO related offer to host the vector data, provided the<br>
licences<br>
> meet with OSGEO approval. I'm not sure at this stage if this will<br>
include a<br>
> PostGIS/mapserver/OpenLayers based website to demo teh data & the<br>
> applications,<br>
> but figure we can work through these questions once (if) we have an<br>
OSGEO<br>
> acceptance of the licences.<br>
><br>
> There are a few questions still before we can really progress this:</blockquote><div><br>There may also be interest from Harley Prowse and his team at GBS in Auckland reg: hosting an OpenSoirce stack providing kiwi data - contact me offline for Harley's details<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
><br>
><br>
> Are the LINZ & Stats NZ data licences acceptable to OSGEO? (who<br>
decides?)<br>
><br>
> LINZ licence is at:<br>
> <a href="http://www.linz.govt" target="_blank">http://www.linz.govt</a>.<br>
> nz/docs/topography/topographicdata/topodtabase/licence-agreement-1.pdf<br>
> (but note we will be getting the data from a re-supplier, rather than<br>
> purchasing it from LINZ directly, so any additional conditions may<br>
> also need to<br>
> be considered)<br>
><br>
> Stats NZ licence is at: <a href="http://www.stats.govt.nz/copyright.htm" target="_blank">http://www.stats.govt.nz/copyright.htm</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Hosting/web app issues as mentioned above.<br>
><br>
> What sort of data maintenance regime is appropriate: apply all updates<br>
as they<br>
> become available, or is this overkill for OSGEO purposes? Monthly,<br>
annually???<br>
><br>
> Can anyone host the ortho imagery as a WMS layer to be incorporated in<br>
the<br>
> final application?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Is a wiki page for discussion of this going to be more useful than a<br>
list<br>
> discussion?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> Brent<br>
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Subject: Re: [Geodata] Re: [Aust-NZ] NZ geodata on OSGEO?<br>
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On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:42 AM, <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Bannerman@dpi.vic.gov.au">Bruce.Bannerman@dpi.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:<br>
> There have been some encouraging actions towards OSGeo and OS spatial<br>
> software from the NZ Government.<br>
><br>
> Would you like to approach Brendan acting in your position as a Director<br>
> (elect) of OSGeo-AustNZ?<br>
<br>
Note that they've okayed the Topo data to be released into OSM, so<br>
clarifying it for OSGeo is probably just an extension. Simon can chime<br>
in with the people he's been dealing with or I can dig up their<br>
emails.<br>
<br>
Rob :)</blockquote><div><br>>>Cheers Rob<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:12:54 -0700 (PDT)<br>
From: Brent Wood <<a href="mailto:pcreso@pcreso.com">pcreso@pcreso.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Geodata] Re: [Aust-NZ] NZ geodata on OSGEO?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:Bruce.Bannerman@dpi.vic.gov.au">Bruce.Bannerman@dpi.vic.gov.au</a><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:geodata@lists.osgeo.org">geodata@lists.osgeo.org</a>, <a href="mailto:Aust-NZ@lists.osgeo.org">Aust-NZ@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
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--- <a href="mailto:Bruce.Bannerman@dpi.vic.gov.au">Bruce.Bannerman@dpi.vic.gov.au</a> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Brent,<br>
><br>
> If we are to host this data via OSGeo, I would prefer to do so with LINZ's<br>
> blessing, rather than through an interpretation of a license agreement.<br>
><br>
> There have been some encouraging actions towards OSGeo and OS spatial<br>
> software from the NZ Government.<br>
><br>
> Would you like to approach Brendan acting in your position as a Director<br>
> (elect) of OSGeo-AustNZ?<br>
<br>
Hi Bruce,<br>
<br>
I received the email below way back (Mon Jan 05, 2004), when I first looked at<br>
purchasing the raw NZTopo data from LINZ (LSLIFF format) & on-supplying it for<br>
free on a LiveCD:<br>
<br>
> Hi Brent<br>
><br>
> The cost of NZTopo in LSLIFF is $1500 incl GST. It can be obtained<br>
> from the Map Centre. There are no additional conditions placed on a<br>
> purchaser with regard to reselling. It is yours to do with as you<br>
> wish.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
> David Balm<br>
> Senior Advisor NTHA<br>
> Land Information New Zealand<br>
> Phone: (04) 460 0197 or extn 6197<br>
> Fax: (04) 471 6894<br>
> E-mail: <a href="mailto:dbalm@linz.govt.nz">dbalm@linz.govt.nz</a><br>
<br>
<br>
The impression I have is that LINZ (and other NZ Govt Departments whom I've<br>
asked the question of) do not want to grant specific permissions for any<br>
particular organisation or data providor for any particular purpose, as this in<br>
sffect constitutes a governmental approval or tacit endorsement, which they are<br>
loathe to do. Instead, a generic wording such as the one above are used, or<br>
they reference the licence & the generic freedom expressed there.<br>
<br>
Essentially, I was happy with the phrase: "It is yours to do with as you wish."<br>
<br>
While this applies to the data as supplied by LINZ, there are also any<br>
constraints imposed by those who are giving us a copy of their version of these<br>
data. I believe we need to more closely look at the licence covering these,<br>
rather than the LINZ original. If there is currently no such licence for these<br>
data, then we should perhaps come up with one which meets OSGEO & LINZ<br>
requirements.<br>
<br>
<br>
I can re-visit this with LINZ if necessary, but I figure the above reply may<br>
constitute an appropriate permission to do what we want with it?<br>
<br>
If not, please let me know & I'll ask again :-)<br>
<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Brent<br>
<br>
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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:35:16 +1000<br>
From: <a href="mailto:Bruce.Bannerman@dpi.vic.gov.au">Bruce.Bannerman@dpi.vic.gov.au</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Geodata] Re: [Aust-NZ] NZ geodata on OSGEO?<br>
To: Brent Wood <<a href="mailto:pcreso@pcreso.com">pcreso@pcreso.com</a>><br>
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IMO:<br>
<br>
Brent,<br>
<br>
It seems clear cut, but I'd prefer that we were open with LINZ about our<br>
intentions and give then the chance to comment if they wanted to.<br>
<br>
<br>
It will also flag that we're planning to use Open Source spatial tools<br>
with their data and may generate some more interest on their part.<br>
<br>
<br>
Bruce<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
> I can re-visit this with LINZ if necessary, but I figure the above reply<br>
may<br>
> constitute an appropriate permission to do what we want with it?<br>
><br>
> If not, please let me know & I'll ask again :-)<br>
><br>
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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:47:00 -0700 (PDT)<br>
From: Hamish <<a href="mailto:hamish_b@yahoo.com">hamish_b@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Geodata] Re: [Aust-NZ] NZ geodata on OSGEO?<br>
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> While this applies to the data as supplied by LINZ, there are also any<br>
> constraints imposed by those who are giving us a copy of their version<br>
> of these data. I believe we need to more closely look at the licence<br>
> covering these, rather than the LINZ original.<br>
<br>
If extra strings are attached by the reseller which we are not happy<br>
with, then we can always spend the $270 or whatever and buy an<br>
unencumbered copy directly from LINZ.<br>
<br>
<br>
Hamish<br>
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