<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">IMO:</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Agreed.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Demonstrating integration with existing
systems is a key driver for showing the benefit of FOSS4G. It should also
attract more participants as has been suggested.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">It will take a brave architect / CIO
/ manager who will propose to their senior managers that they can throw
away the investment that they have made in systems, software, processes,
training and people over the past 'x' years and bring in a FOSS4G 'new
world order' in a big bang program of works.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">It certainly doesn't hurt to demonstrate
that FOSS4G plays well with other systems.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">...and as Mark suggested:</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">- have a fully FOSS Interoperability
Testbed to demonstrate that yes, it really can be done.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">- don't mandate at this stage percentages
of presentations. I think that we have a period of time after abstracts
have been submitted to look at this again.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Bruce</font>
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<td width=40%><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><b>"Chris Tweedie"
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<br><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Sent by: aust-nz-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</font>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"'Cameron Shorter'" <cameron.shorter@gmail.com>,
<pcreso@pcreso.com>, "'Aust-NZ OSGeo'" <Aust-NZ@lists.osgeo.org></font>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">RE: [Aust-NZ] Can proprietary products
be discussed/promoted at
FOSS4G2009?</font></table>
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<br><font size=2><tt>I agree with Brent 100%. If FOSS4G is about broadening
the reach of<br>
opensource geospatial, it has to hinge on the interoperability with existing<br>
spatial systems, commercial or otherwise. Would commercial vendors even
risk<br>
pitching "too-commercial" abstracts at the cost of alienating
the FOSS4G<br>
community? Furthermore, has this actually been a problem at previous<br>
conferences?<br>
<br>
Chris<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: aust-nz-bounces@lists.osgeo.org<br>
[mailto:aust-nz-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter<br>
Sent: Thursday, 24 July 2008 12:17 PM<br>
To: pcreso@pcreso.com; Aust-NZ OSGeo<br>
Subject: Re: [Aust-NZ] Can proprietary products be discussed/promoted at<br>
FOSS4G2009?<br>
<br>
Brent seems to have issues getting through to the list. Scroll down for
<br>
his comments.<br>
<br>
pcreso@pcreso.com wrote:<br>
> Hi Cameron, <br>
><br>
> I have sent it there, twice, one bounce (my fault) & then a non-event.<br>
I'll try again, but if you don't see it there, can you post it there for
me?<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> Brent<br>
><br>
><br>
> --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter@gmail.com>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> <br>
>> From: Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter@gmail.com><br>
>> Subject: Re: [Aust-NZ] Can proprietary products be discussed/promoted
at<br>
FOSS4G2009?<br>
>> To: pcreso@pcreso.com<br>
>> Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 10:23 AM<br>
>> Thanks, this is good advice, do you mind if you CC it to the<br>
>> Aust-NZ <br>
>> list as well and lend weight to go down the path you<br>
>> recommend.<br>
>><br>
>> pcreso@pcreso.com wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>> My 02c on this...<br>
>>><br>
>>> I have been involved with a few conferences based on<br>
>>> <br>
>> FOSS GIS/database apps, and my presentations used to focus<br>
>> pretty much exclusively on the FOSS aspect. In response to<br>
>> user feedback & what I perceive as a change in the<br>
>> industry, I now focus on Open Standards &<br>
>> interoperability. If a proprietary app supports open<br>
>> standards & is interoperable with FOSS, I'm happy<br>
>> to include them. <br>
>> <br>
>>> This leads to, for example, Oracle sites migrating to<br>
>>> <br>
>> Postgres, because Oracle users are willing to come to<br>
>> discussions/presentations where Oracle is discussed, but<br>
>> not otherwise...<br>
>> <br>
>>> Otherwise I feel we tend to just preach to the<br>
>>> <br>
>> converted, which makes for fun & supportive<br>
>> conferences, but doesn't necessarily introduce FOSS to<br>
>> non-FOSS users. <br>
>> <br>
>>> There are plenty of Arc sites out there, & getting<br>
>>> <br>
>> them to consider PostGIS under SDE, making their data<br>
>> available via OGC web services, accessing our data via web<br>
>> services & supporting initiatives like GeoNetworks<br>
>> won't happen without dialogue. We need to involve them<br>
>> more.<br>
>> <br>
>>> Cheers,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Brent Wood<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> --- On Wed, 7/23/08, Cameron Shorter<br>
>>> <br>
>> <cameron.shorter@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>>> From: Cameron Shorter<br>
>>>> <br>
>> <cameron.shorter@gmail.com><br>
>> <br>
>>>> Subject: [Aust-NZ] Can proprietary products be<br>
>>>> <br>
>> discussed/promoted at FOSS4G2009?<br>
>> <br>
>>>> To: "conference_dev"<br>
>>>> <br>
>> <conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org>, "Aust-NZ<br>
>> OSGeo" <Aust-NZ@lists.osgeo.org><br>
>> <br>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 6:36 PM<br>
>>>> While talking up FOSS4G2009 at a recent Australian<br>
>>>> conference (Qld SSI <br>
>>>> on the Gold Coast) we were asked:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> "Are proprietary products allowed to be<br>
>>>> discussed/promoted at FOSS4G?"<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> More specifically:<br>
>>>> * Do we accept presentations about integrating<br>
>>>> <br>
>> Open Source<br>
>> <br>
>>>> with Proprietary?<br>
>>>> * Do we accept presentations from proprietary<br>
>>>> <br>
>> vendors about<br>
>> <br>
>>>> how they can <br>
>>>> integrate with Open Standards/Open Source?<br>
>>>> * Are proprietary vendors allowed to Sponsor the<br>
>>>> conference?<br>
>>>> * Are proprietary vendors allowed to set up a<br>
>>>> <br>
>> booth?<br>
>> <br>
>>>> * Are proprietary vendors allowed to participate<br>
>>>> <br>
>> in an<br>
>> <br>
>>>> interoperability <br>
>>>> testbed?<br>
>>>> - To what extent?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> My take is:<br>
>>>> FOSS4G 2009's theme is "User Driven"<br>
>>>> <br>
>> and<br>
>> <br>
>>>> users need to integrate open <br>
>>>> source with proprietary applications.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> So presentations and testbeds targeting<br>
>>>> <br>
>> "Integrating<br>
>> <br>
>>>> Proprietary with <br>
>>>> Open Source" should be encouraged,<br>
>>>> <br>
>> Proprietary only is<br>
>> <br>
>>>> not allowed, and <br>
>>>> at least 75% of the topics should be completely<br>
>>>> <br>
>> Open Source<br>
>> <br>
>>>> focused.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> -- <br>
>>>> Cameron Shorter<br>
>>>> Geospatial Systems Architect<br>
>>>> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050<br>
>>>> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Think Globally, Fix Locally<br>
>>>> Commercial Support for Geospatial Open Source<br>
>>>> <br>
>> Solutions<br>
>> <br>
>> http://www.lisasoft.com/LISAsoft/SupportedProducts.html<br>
>> <br>
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>>>> <br>
>> -- <br>
>> Cameron Shorter<br>
>> Geospatial Systems Architect<br>
>> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050<br>
>> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254<br>
>><br>
>> Think Globally, Fix Locally<br>
>> Commercial Support for Geospatial Open Source Solutions<br>
>> http://www.lisasoft.com/LISAsoft/SupportedProducts.html<br>
>> <br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Cameron Shorter<br>
Geospatial Systems Architect<br>
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050<br>
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254<br>
<br>
Think Globally, Fix Locally<br>
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