<div dir="ltr">
Marc asked to Osgeo-fr about the « why they only accept individuals »<div>I would like to convey the answer because Marc is in full translation sprint this week and may not have much time left.</div><div><br>The idea is to be able to keep a certain neutrality with respect to companies and individuals involved. Of course this does not prevent an individual from a company X to participate in OSGeo - fr and not being neutral. But it helps...They want at that time strongly keep a balance between the different "groups" (user, researcher and trading company ), each having their own interest but also a common interest in life and dynamics of the open source geomatics community.<br><br>Kinds Regards, <br>Maë//e</div><div><br></div><div>N.B: For your information, below the complete answer in French.<br></div><i>"bonjour,<br><br>L'idée de départ était de pouvoir garder une certaine neutralité vis à vis des<br>sociétés et d'impliquer les personnes physiques.<br><br>Bien sur cela n'empêche pas une personne physique d'une société X de<br>participer à l'OSGeo-fr et de ne pas être neutre. Mais cela permet d'avoir un<br>certain garde fou.<br><br>Avec le recul on voit que ce sont les sociétés commerciales qui ont le plus<br>d'intérêt et de volonté de s'impliquer dans ce genre de communauté. Peut être<br>car elles sont plus d'expériences en la matière du fait de leur implication<br>dans des projets open source.<br><br>Nous souhaitions à l'époque vivement garder un équilibre entre les différents<br>"groupes" (utilisateur, recherche et société commerciale), chacun ayant leur<br>intérêt propre mais également un intérêt commun dans la vie et la dynamique<br>d'une communauté open source en géomatique.<br><br>Aucune solution ne sera convenable et sera dans tous les cas un subtils<br>mélanges du contexte, du risque de déséquilibre réel ou ressenti.<br><br>Dans tous les cas, il faut une certaine neutralité et des forces vives<br>dynamiques :)<br><br>Yves Jacolin"</i></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-07-07 19:49 GMT+02:00 Johan Van de Wauw <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johan.vandewauw@gmail.com" target="_blank">johan.vandewauw@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Some comments on the proposal:<br>
<br>
This are our statutes, which are hard to change. You mostly need them<br>
when things go bad, so when reading them this is what you should keep<br>
in mind.<br>
<br>
Note that I found it difficult reading this in French, so I may miss<br>
some things.<br>
I would make it easier for the board to remove "adherent members",<br>
especially since it is very easy to become one. I'd suggest that the<br>
board can reject or remove them, and that once rejected/removed they<br>
can be only be added by a general assembly if proposed by one of the<br>
effective members and after a vote.<br>
<br>
Eg spam registrations, errors, ... can be handled this way. I don't<br>
think the board will go light on removing a member if there is a good<br>
reason.<br>
<br>
But perhaps it is even better to leave all of this for the " règlement<br>
d'ordre intérieur , since adherent members don't have any official<br>
rights.<br>
<br>
Thinking about whether companies can be members: I think we should<br>
rather think about having a sponsored membership for these members.<br>
But again, I'm not sure we should do this in the statutes - those are<br>
hard to change.<br>
<br>
Kind Regards,<br>
Johan<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Dirk Frigne <<a href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Moritz,<br>
><br>
>> - Where should we localize the association ?<br>
> If you live in Brussels, then your home address is a good option.<br>
> I still wait for an alternative, as I asked Gael offline if there is a<br>
> possibility we use the address of IBGE as the main seat.<br>
><br>
> I suggest to also accept moral persons. At the Flemish association for<br>
> GIS (Flagis)[1] where I am the secratary, we have sponsor members,<br>
> 'moral persons' members and physical person members. 3 different member<br>
> fees: 750/Year, 250/Year, 20 /Year).<br>
><br>
> For OSGeo, I am still in favor to provide *free* membership, as there is<br>
> a discussion on the [discuss] mailing list [2]. They even pointed to our<br>
> initiative for the problem of membership fees:<br>
><br>
> "<br>
> Regarding changing from an open OSGeo membership (nothing at the<br>
> moment), to charging a membership fee, I am in fact for continuing as an<br>
> open/free organization. I do however see some issues with our old<br>
> bylaws, and Arnulf mentioned our USA-based status, and there has been<br>
> recent talk again of a registered satellite organization such as through<br>
> an OSGeo Europe. (this will likely be discussed more in Como)<br>
> "<br>
><br>
> So I agree to mimic the rules that apply for OSGeo.<br>
><br>
> Dirk<br>
><br>
><br>
> [1] <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pub/flagis-vzw/85/517/32b" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/pub/flagis-vzw/85/517/32b</a><br>
> [2] <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2015-July/014419.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2015-July/014419.html</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 02-07-15 13:35, Moritz Lennert wrote:<br>
>> Dear all,<br>
>><br>
>> Here is a revised version of the "statuts", allowing for two types of<br>
>> members and integrating some of the other comments.<br>
>><br>
>> To be discussed (cf comments in the text):<br>
>><br>
>> - Who wants to be founding member ?<br>
>> - Who wants to be part of the board ?<br>
>> - Where should we localize the association ? I offer my home address if<br>
>> there is no other solution.<br>
>><br>
>> - Should "effective" (i.e. charter) members have to pay an annual<br>
>> contribution ?<br>
>> - Should members be physical persons or can moral persons (associations,<br>
>> companies, etc) be members ?<br>
>> - How should non charer members (i.e. "members adérents") become<br>
>> members: I propose to mimick OSGeo central and allow registration via<br>
>> the web site.<br>
>><br>
>> Moritz<br>
>><br>
>> On 22/06/15 12:07, Tommy Oozeer wrote:<br>
>>> Hello everyone,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I have also added my comments in the doc.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Regards.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Tommy<br>
>>><br>
>>> -----Message d'origine-----<br>
>>> De : <a href="mailto:belgium-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">belgium-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:belgium-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">belgium-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] De la part de Dirk Frigne<br>
>>> Envoyé : lundi 22 juin 2015 09:53<br>
>>> À : <a href="mailto:belgium@lists.osgeo.org">belgium@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
>>> Cc : <a href="mailto:managementsupport@geosparc.com">managementsupport@geosparc.com</a><br>
>>> Objet : Re: [Belgium] procedure for official creation of asbl/vzw:<br>
>>> proposed bylaws<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi all,<br>
>>><br>
>>> My2c comments in the document.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Dirk<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 21-06-15 18:30, Moritz Lennert wrote:<br>
>>>> Hi all,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Please find attached a first draft of the bylaws of the asbl/vzw. I've<br>
>>>> used a model from [1] to draft this. They are in French as this was<br>
>>>> easier for me than in Dutch. I don't think we could elaborate them in<br>
>>>> English.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Please read through them. I've highlighted several parts and included<br>
>>>> some questions. Please react.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> In order to officially constitute the organisation, we have to<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> - file these bylaws and the register of members at the "greffe du<br>
>>>> tribunal de commerce"<br>
>>>> - publish the bylaws and the list of board members in the "Moniteur"<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The costs for this procedure are 181,50€.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> We should probably have a legal expert read the bylaws before we file<br>
>>>> them, just to make sure we respect all aspects of the law and won't<br>
>>>> have to modify them soon (which would mean additional costs). I can<br>
>>>> see if I can convince some of my contacts to do this, but if you have<br>
>>>> competent people around you, please tell me.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Another good source of information on asbl (in French) is [2].<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Moritz<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> [1] <a href="http://www.laboiteasbl.be/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.laboiteasbl.be/</a><br>
>>>> [2] <a href="http://www.assoc.be/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.assoc.be/</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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>>><br>
>>><br>
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><br>
><br>
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