Fwd: [Board] International Participation in OSGeo
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Mon Aug 9 16:05:23 EDT 2010
> From: Brian Hamlin <maplabs at light42.com>
> Date: August 9, 2010 12:54:35 PM PDT
> To: Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
> Subject: Re: [Board] International Participation in OSGeo
> Hi Jeff-
> thanks for the reply
> one clarification though - I was trying to politely suggest that
> OSGeo *not* cooperate with China at all.
> Those members listed in the China chapter are almost all National
> Academy of Sciences members as far as I can tell, which is an
> instrument of the state. One reason I speak out is that the way I got
> involved with Geo in the first place was because of an almost fluke,
> where I became steering committe member for a huge conference on
> Digital Earth, via the International Society for Digital Earth. There
> was a China conneciton from the very beginning, but due to lack of
> funding and chaotic, part-time leadership, the body has now been
> almost completely taken over by these National Academy people from
> China. Needless to say I don't have anything to do with that
> organization any more.
> I have had some good talks with Arnulf.. I think we agree on a lot
> of things..
> Since I am here in the Bay Area, I run into the Autodesk people here
> and there.. as well as core Google people. I was informal liason
> between some google engineers and gdal/FrankW when they were doing a
> libkml rev a while back..
> all for now
> On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>> Hello Brian,
>> Thanks for this insight into the current status of activity of OSGeo
>> across the globe. In fact right after the last FOSS4G, Arnulf and I
>> had a similar discussion on doing some outreach to India (we both
>> feel that meeting face to face with local chapters is a critical part
>> of OSGeo's growth). Ravi Kumar, another board member, has also been
>> actively looking at events in India where OSGeo-India can participate
>> in. So, it seems we are building some momentum there.
>> Regarding China, I am in contact with several OSGeo-China members and
>> they are very active - unfortunately not as visible as other
>> chapters. (for example, they very quickly translated the Sol Katz
>> Award wiki recently http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Sol_Katz_Award_cn)
>> Sometimes the quietness is a cultural issue, due to language or
>> respecting the existing developer's code - but I find once you invite
>> these other cultures to contribute they are more than willing to
>> participate. I do agree with you though that we need to make sure
>> our outreach includes China.
>> I will be sure to mention these points during the upcoming
>> face-to-face OSGeo Board meeting in Barcelona. Thanks for the
>> Brian Hamlin wrote:
>>> Board Members and List Subscribers..
>>> Here in the San Francisco Bay Area, and Silicon Valley, the
>>> international confluence is unmistakable..
>>> I am struck by the broad international demographic of OSGeo
>>> participation as well.. For historical / political reasons, the
>>> membership among Commonwealth countries is strong I think. Adding to
>>> that the very strong contribution of the DACH countries, and France,
>>> the Netherlands, and Italy (!), a good cross section of active OSGeo
>>> participants can be seen...
>>> OSGeo is on the brink of perhaps the biggest FOSS4G to date, in
>>> Spain. The spanish speaking world is vast, and increasingly active
>>> in FOSS. Of course, the Spanish Government's investment in Geo OSS
>>> is well known, and bearing great fruit. However, it is not the
>>> excellent opportunities in the Spanish language world that I write
>>> about today.
>>> The largest population centers in the world are by far, India and
>>> China. Before I cast stones regarding the Communist government in
>>> China, I will confess that my own government, the United States of
>>> America, has at times been a powerfully bad actor internationally,
>>> using the largest military in the world, and a lot of cash, to shape
>>> the world politically.. I understand there is a lot of legitimate
>>> criticism there..
>>> However, with that said, I say emphatically, that the Red Chinese
>>> Government is repeatedly and obviously mining FOSS for its own ends,
>>> while denying the right to use and benefit from Geospatial tech to
>>> its own people.. I am sure there are different opinions about how to
>>> respond, but I doubt there is much disagreement that this is the
>>> case... In particular, I must speak out for the case of the Tibetan
>>> people, and the legitimate government of Taiwan. At any rate, enough
>>> about the Chinese Government.
>>> Which brings us to India..
>>> India is the home to a very substantial portion of the world's
>>> population, and, is regarded across the world for its scholarship,
>>> piety and intellectual achievements. Yet there seem to me to be
>>> precious few developers there active in OSGeo projects ! I do not
>>> understand this. If there is opportunity in India, some kind of
>>> fundamentals have to be addressed. I dont know that they are, or how
>>> to do it. But I suggest to you, the Board of OSGeo, that aside from
>>> the growth potential in the Spanish language world, India in
>>> particular is a sleeping giant.
>>> Although I will not be attending FOSS4G 2010 in Barcelona, I wish
>>> all attendees a splendid conference, great networking, and the best
>>> possible foundation for the crucial developments to come. In
>>> particular, I point out the opportunity to take meaningful action
>>> regarding Climate Change.
>>> very best regards from California
>>> Brian Hamlin
>>> OSGeo California Chapter
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