[Board] Motion on Open lidar letter
Jeff McKenna
jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
Tue May 5 13:45:13 PDT 2015
Hi Cameron,
Personally I think you all did a great job distributing the letter; as
you did already, I believe you should choose a leader active in the
community to share the letter (as you did for Esri, OGC, etc). Do you
know someone from OSGeo involved in ASPRS?
-jeff
On 2015-05-05 5:25 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> Jeff, board,
> I hear that there is no desire from yourselves to send another
> (official) email to OGC/Esri about the Open LIDAR letter.
>
> One outstanding question remains, which I possibly didn't make clear
> enough in the last email. Who will notify ASPRS (whom the letter was
> also written to)? Is that something that the board or OSGeo President
> wishes to send? Or would you prefer it delivered by a member of the
> OSGeo community?
> Could you please respond in a timely manner, as I feel it is the right
> thing to do by both ASPRS and the OSGeo community to deliver this
> message soon.
>
> Regards,
> Cameron
>
> On 5/05/2015 9:42 am, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>> Hi Jeff,
>> The hope in writing the open letter was that it would carry as much
>> weight as possible, in order to demonstrate the importance that we as
>> an OSGeo Foundation feel about Open Standards.
>>
>> Having 130+ signatures from prominent community members adds weight,
>> thanks to all who signed. Having a cover letter from the board adds
>> weight, thank you board. Having a well researched set of facts adds
>> weight, thanks Martin. Having the story published widely adds weight,
>> thanks to the media to ran the story and the people to took the story
>> to the media. Having the letter officially delivered from the OSGeo
>> President adds weight, I'm hoping we can achieve that too.
>>
>> This was the reason for the original request sent to the board on 16
>> April, which was voted on and passed by the board. (See the email
>> thread for history).
>>
>> Yes, some people within Esri are aware of an earlier version of this
>> letter, as are the OGC. I'm not aware if ASPRS have been notified.
>>
>> So yes, a great job has been done so far. I'm asking that we continue
>> in that vein, which would involve officially sending the letter to the
>> key stakeholders.
>>
>> Kind regards, Cameron Shorter
>>
>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Jeff McKenna
>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Cameron, Suchith, Martin, all,
>>
>> Everyone is contacting me offlist about the next steps for the
>> Open Lidar letter, I am aware of that. I would ask that you
>> discuss this here on the OSGeo Board list, so the whole Board can
>> help you along. If I am correct, I believe the status is:
>>
>> - OSGeo Board voted and supported adding a cover letter (done and
>> added to letter wiki page)
>> - Esri responded
>> - OGC responded, and they will be responding to this to us in a
>> few weeks and discussing it at their next TC meeting (Scott
>> Simmons, the Executive Director of the OGC's Standards Program,
>> also contacted me directly and I will be discussing this with home
>> in the next few weeks over the phone)
>> - the story has made wide media coverage
>>
>> I really believe we've done a great job pushing this (we being
>> Martin, Cameron, Suchith, everyone involved in the letter) and
>> good things have come out of it, and, that the OSGeo Board has
>> done its duties regarding this process.
>>
>> Do others disagree? By the number of pings that I am getting
>> offline of trying to get me to send this letter it seems others
>> want more action. So, please speak up here.
>>
>> As you already know (from now years of seeing me in this
>> position), I don't send official e-mails on behalf of the entire
>> OSGeo foundation because of some offlist pings; I request that we
>> discuss next steps (if any?) for the Board, or that you made a
>> request to the OSGeo Board for next steps, and we can discuss openly.
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2015-04-28 5:56 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>> Thanks for adding the cover letter to the LiDAR Open Letter.
>>
>> The second part of this motion was for the OSGeo President to
>> email the
>> letter to the OGC, ESRI and ASPRS. (Suggested email addresses
>> are toward
>> the bottom of this email thread).
>>
>> Would you mind CCing a public archived email list (probably
>> the board
>> list) so that we have an official record of the Open Letter being
>> delivered. (Alternatively, you can forward, or notify the list
>> instead).
>>
>> Hopefully any response you receive will also be sent to the
>> public list.
>> If not, can you please ask if you can share the response publicly.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Cameron
>>
>> On 25/04/2015 10:55 pm, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>
>> I've added the cover letter text to the main page.
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2015-04-23 7:19 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>
>> Well written Jeff,
>>
>> Once you are comfortable with the wording, I suggest
>> either:
>> 1. Copy the cover letter text into
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter (preferred)
>> 2. Or reference the cover letter wiki from the LiDAR
>> Format Letter
>>
>> On 23/04/2015 11:11 pm, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Maxi.
>>
>> A first draft of the Board cover letter is at
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter_Board_Cover
>> It would be
>> good for all Board members to take a look and edit
>> that page if need
>> be.
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2015-04-23 9:33 AM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>> With 6 votes +1 and 3 votes +0 I declare the
>> motion to support the
>> letter on LiDAR open standard passed.
>>
>> The board will draft a support letter.
>>
>> Best,
>> Maxi
>>
>>
>>
>> 2015-04-23 12:01 GMT+02:00 Jachym Cepicky
>> <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>>>:
>>
>> +0
>>
>> With comment: -1 for the tone, +1 for the
>> "idea" of the letter
>>
>> Requesting and pointing at "one evil" does
>> not bring solutions,
>> only
>> builds walls. Therefore also not signing
>> the letter as private
>> person. If someone else takes the power, I
>> can only say: that this
>> is not my way.
>>
>> Sorry for the delay
>>
>> Jachym
>>
>> čt 23. 4. 2015 v 7:15 odesílatel
>> Massimiliano Cannata
>> <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>>> napsal:
>>
>> My vote is +0,
>> I support the idea but not the tone of
>> the letter.
>>
>> Maxi
>>
>>
>> Il giorno gio 23 apr 2015 01:13 AM
>> Cameron Shorter
>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>>
>> ha scritto:
>>
>> I think all board members have now
>> voted? Thankyou for
>> your
>> support.
>> Massimo, as you raised this
>> motion, do you wish to declare
>> its result?
>>
>> Next actions:
>> * Declare result of motion (Massimo)
>> * Update the Open Letter wiki with
>> cover letter. There is
>> proposed text
>> below. I'm happy to do this,
>> unless someone else does it
>> first.
>> * Send the Open Letter to key
>> stakeholders (emails below).
>> Jeff, do you
>> wish to do that? Would you like
>> any help?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Cameron
>>
>> On 23/04/2015 1:44 am, Vasile
>> Craciunescu wrote:
>> > +1
>> >
>> > I totally agree with Jorge.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Vasile
>> >
>> > On 4/22/15 8:27 AM,
>> Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>> >> I do not enter in detail of
>> your debate about media. I
>> can just say that
>> >> the board is slow because
>> there is discussion on the
>> form of the letter
>> >> you prepared.
>> >>
>> >> At this point I officially
>> make the motion to vote on
>> beard official
>> >> support of the letter on lidar
>> standard as it is
>> >>
>> athttp://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter
>> <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter>
>> <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter>
>> >>
>> <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter>
>> >>
>> >> Maxi
>> >>
>> >> Hello Jeff and the OSGeo Board,
>> >>
>> >> Our next step is to deliver
>> the Open Letter, as
>> suggested earlier in
>> >> this thread. (see below)
>> >>
>> >> We are waiting on an answer
>> from the earlier proposal
>> for the OSGeo
>> >> Board to present this Open
>> Letter. Is another 48 hours
>> enough time to
>> >> respond?
>> >>
>> >> The alternative is that some
>> one else from the OSGeo
>> community delivers
>> >> this letter.
>> >>
>> >>> On 16/04/2015 9:52 pm,
>> Cameron Shorter wrote:
>> >>>> Hi OSGeo Board,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I request the board support
>> an OSGeo Community
>> developed Open Letter
>> >>>> aimed at protecting open
>> LiDAR standards.
>> >>>>
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Proposal 1: The OSGeo Board
>> agree to include the
>> following statement
>> >>>> (or similar wording) into
>> the letter:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> = Cover Letter from the
>> OSGeo Board =
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The board of the
>> [http://osgeo.org Open Source
>> Geospatial Foundation]
>> >>>> (OSGeo) is presenting this
>> letter to the OGC,
>> ESRI and
>> ASPRS. The
>> >>>> letter highlights concerns
>> about fragmentation in
>> LiDAR standards
>> >>>> from many people within the
>> OSGeo community. As
>> always, if there is
>> >>>> anything the OSGeo board can
>> do to help, then please
>> let us know.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Signed: <OSGeo Board Members>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Proposal 2:
>> >>>> Once the letter has
>> completed the signature
>> phase, the
>> letter be
>> >>>> emailed from the OSGeo
>> President to key people
>> within
>> these
>> >>>> organisations:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Mark Reichardt <mreichardt
>> AT opengeospatial.org <http://opengeospatial.org>
>> <http://opengeospatial.org>
>> >>>>
>> <http://opengeospatial.org>>, OSGeo President
>> >>>> David Danko <DDanko AT
>> esri.com <http://esri.com> <http://esri.com>
>> <http://esri.com>>, ESRI's Senior
>> >>>> Consultant for GIS Standards
>> >>>> Stephen D. DeGloria < sdd4
>> AT cornell.edu <http://cornell.edu>
>> <http://cornell.edu>
>> <http://cornell.edu>>,
>> >>>> President of the ASPRS
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