[Board] Motion on Open lidar letter
Suchith Anand
Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk
Wed May 6 00:32:30 PDT 2015
Thanks Maria for this excellent suggestion. ISPRS is commited to Open Standards through thier support for Geo For All, so i expect ISPRS to move in if needed if one of thier national members (ASPRS) seems hesistant not to support Open Standards principles.
Suchith
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Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 8:04 AM
To: Suchith Anand
Cc: Jeff McKenna; OSGeo-Board
Subject: Re: [Board] Motion on Open lidar letter
Dear Suchith
My suggestion is to inform also Chen Jun,being him the President of ISPRS. Many thanks for your help with this!
Best.
Maria
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Il giorno 06/mag/2015, alle ore 08:37, Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>> ha scritto:
Jeff, Cameron, All,
Thanks for your support and efforts.
To move things forward and make it consistent, i will follow up this with ASPRS also as done with Esri and OGC. I will cc in OSGeo Board in my email to ASPRS.
So i will email Stewart Walker (President ASPRS) cc in President-Elect, Past President and Vice President of ASPRS also.
Best wishes,
Suchith
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Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 9:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [Board] Motion on Open lidar letter
Hi Cameron,
Personally I think you all did a great job distributing the letter; as
you did already, I believe you should choose a leader active in the
community to share the letter (as you did for Esri, OGC, etc). Do you
know someone from OSGeo involved in ASPRS?
-jeff
On 2015-05-05 5:25 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Jeff, board,
I hear that there is no desire from yourselves to send another
(official) email to OGC/Esri about the Open LIDAR letter.
One outstanding question remains, which I possibly didn't make clear
enough in the last email. Who will notify ASPRS (whom the letter was
also written to)? Is that something that the board or OSGeo President
wishes to send? Or would you prefer it delivered by a member of the
OSGeo community?
Could you please respond in a timely manner, as I feel it is the right
thing to do by both ASPRS and the OSGeo community to deliver this
message soon.
Regards,
Cameron
On 5/05/2015 9:42 am, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Hi Jeff,
The hope in writing the open letter was that it would carry as much
weight as possible, in order to demonstrate the importance that we as
an OSGeo Foundation feel about Open Standards.
Having 130+ signatures from prominent community members adds weight,
thanks to all who signed. Having a cover letter from the board adds
weight, thank you board. Having a well researched set of facts adds
weight, thanks Martin. Having the story published widely adds weight,
thanks to the media to ran the story and the people to took the story
to the media. Having the letter officially delivered from the OSGeo
President adds weight, I'm hoping we can achieve that too.
This was the reason for the original request sent to the board on 16
April, which was voted on and passed by the board. (See the email
thread for history).
Yes, some people within Esri are aware of an earlier version of this
letter, as are the OGC. I'm not aware if ASPRS have been notified.
So yes, a great job has been done so far. I'm asking that we continue
in that vein, which would involve officially sending the letter to the
key stakeholders.
Kind regards, Cameron Shorter
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Jeff McKenna
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wrote:
Hi Cameron, Suchith, Martin, all,
Everyone is contacting me offlist about the next steps for the
Open Lidar letter, I am aware of that. I would ask that you
discuss this here on the OSGeo Board list, so the whole Board can
help you along. If I am correct, I believe the status is:
- OSGeo Board voted and supported adding a cover letter (done and
added to letter wiki page)
- Esri responded
- OGC responded, and they will be responding to this to us in a
few weeks and discussing it at their next TC meeting (Scott
Simmons, the Executive Director of the OGC's Standards Program,
also contacted me directly and I will be discussing this with home
in the next few weeks over the phone)
- the story has made wide media coverage
I really believe we've done a great job pushing this (we being
Martin, Cameron, Suchith, everyone involved in the letter) and
good things have come out of it, and, that the OSGeo Board has
done its duties regarding this process.
Do others disagree? By the number of pings that I am getting
offline of trying to get me to send this letter it seems others
want more action. So, please speak up here.
As you already know (from now years of seeing me in this
position), I don't send official e-mails on behalf of the entire
OSGeo foundation because of some offlist pings; I request that we
discuss next steps (if any?) for the Board, or that you made a
request to the OSGeo Board for next steps, and we can discuss openly.
-jeff
On 2015-04-28 5:56 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Hi Jeff,
Thanks for adding the cover letter to the LiDAR Open Letter.
The second part of this motion was for the OSGeo President to
email the
letter to the OGC, ESRI and ASPRS. (Suggested email addresses
are toward
the bottom of this email thread).
Would you mind CCing a public archived email list (probably
the board
list) so that we have an official record of the Open Letter being
delivered. (Alternatively, you can forward, or notify the list
instead).
Hopefully any response you receive will also be sent to the
public list.
If not, can you please ask if you can share the response publicly.
Cheers,
Cameron
On 25/04/2015 10:55 pm, Jeff McKenna wrote:
I've added the cover letter text to the main page.
-jeff
On 2015-04-23 7:19 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Well written Jeff,
Once you are comfortable with the wording, I suggest
either:
1. Copy the cover letter text into
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter (preferred)
2. Or reference the cover letter wiki from the LiDAR
Format Letter
On 23/04/2015 11:11 pm, Jeff McKenna wrote:
Thanks Maxi.
A first draft of the Board cover letter is at
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter_Board_Cover
It would be
good for all Board members to take a look and edit
that page if need
be.
-jeff
On 2015-04-23 9:33 AM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
Dear All,
With 6 votes +1 and 3 votes +0 I declare the
motion to support the
letter on LiDAR open standard passed.
The board will draft a support letter.
Best,
Maxi
2015-04-23 12:01 GMT+02:00 Jachym Cepicky
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+0
With comment: -1 for the tone, +1 for the
"idea" of the letter
Requesting and pointing at "one evil" does
not bring solutions,
only
builds walls. Therefore also not signing
the letter as private
person. If someone else takes the power, I
can only say: that this
is not my way.
Sorry for the delay
Jachym
čt 23. 4. 2015 v 7:15 odesílatel
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My vote is +0,
I support the idea but not the tone of
the letter.
Maxi
Il giorno gio 23 apr 2015 01:13 AM
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ha scritto:
I think all board members have now
voted? Thankyou for
your
support.
Massimo, as you raised this
motion, do you wish to declare
its result?
Next actions:
* Declare result of motion (Massimo)
* Update the Open Letter wiki with
cover letter. There is
proposed text
below. I'm happy to do this,
unless someone else does it
first.
* Send the Open Letter to key
stakeholders (emails below).
Jeff, do you
wish to do that? Would you like
any help?
Regards,
Cameron
On 23/04/2015 1:44 am, Vasile
Craciunescu wrote:
+1
I totally agree with Jorge.
Best,
Vasile
On 4/22/15 8:27 AM,
Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
I do not enter in detail of
your debate about media. I
can just say that
the board is slow because
there is discussion on the
form of the letter
you prepared.
At this point I officially
make the motion to vote on
beard official
support of the letter on lidar
standard as it is
athttp://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter
<http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter>
<http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter>
<http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter>
Maxi
Hello Jeff and the OSGeo Board,
Our next step is to deliver
the Open Letter, as
suggested earlier in
this thread. (see below)
We are waiting on an answer
from the earlier proposal
for the OSGeo
Board to present this Open
Letter. Is another 48 hours
enough time to
respond?
The alternative is that some
one else from the OSGeo
community delivers
this letter.
On 16/04/2015 9:52 pm,
Cameron Shorter wrote:
Hi OSGeo Board,
I request the board support
an OSGeo Community
developed Open Letter
aimed at protecting open
LiDAR standards.
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter
Proposal 1: The OSGeo Board
agree to include the
following statement
(or similar wording) into
the letter:
= Cover Letter from the
OSGeo Board =
The board of the
[http://osgeo.org Open Source
Geospatial Foundation]
(OSGeo) is presenting this
letter to the OGC,
ESRI and
ASPRS. The
letter highlights concerns
about fragmentation in
LiDAR standards
from many people within the
OSGeo community. As
always, if there is
anything the OSGeo board can
do to help, then please
let us know.
Signed: <OSGeo Board Members>
Proposal 2:
Once the letter has
completed the signature
phase, the
letter be
emailed from the OSGeo
President to key people
within
these
organisations:
Mark Reichardt <mreichardt
AT opengeospatial.org<http://opengeospatial.org> <http://opengeospatial.org>
<http://opengeospatial.org>
<http://opengeospatial.org>>, OSGeo President
David Danko <DDanko AT
esri.com<http://esri.com> <http://esri.com> <http://esri.com>
<http://esri.com>>, ESRI's Senior
Consultant for GIS Standards
Stephen D. DeGloria < sdd4
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<http://cornell.edu>
<http://cornell.edu>>,
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