<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>I'm uncomfortable about saying FOSS4G is developer-focused and another OSGeo event (in North America) should be user-focused. FOSS4G can and should cater to both. I certainly intend to focus on users and devs when we bid for FOSS4G in the UK in 2013...</div><div><br></div><div>Jo</div><div><br><br></div><div><br>On 24 Sep 2011, at 17:09, Lisa Sweeney <<a href="mailto:lsweenstar@gmail.com">lsweenstar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<p class="MsoNormal">My observation is FOSS4G has been focused on osgeo developers
- providing a great opportunity for a wide variety of projects being developed
in the osgeo realm to have some great face: face time and relationship
building. This is reflected in the numbers Peter put out earlier: </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:
normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">46% answered 5 to the question how
heavily do you currently use geospatial open source, remainder split fairly
evenly between 1-4.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:
normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">61% were software developers as main
job function, 18% end users, 20% managers</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:
normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""></span>I’ve heard FOSS4G started as a ‘gathering of the tribes’, so
this makes sense. <br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Talk of possibly having a FOSS4G in Beijing next year and an
osgeo conference in North America could create an opportunity to expand the audience. FOSS4G
international could stay developer focused and the osgeo N. America conference could be focused on connecting with a broader audience that is more user focused. It could be more
of a showcase of the great options in the osgeo realm and how to integrate them into one's organization/classroom/etc, with presentations geared
towards users in education, government, the private sector, etc., as well as a chance for developers to connect with each other and be available to interact with general users. This could also be an attractive type of event for open source consulting businesses to showcase to the users/managers how they can help make integration of FOSS happen easily in the exhibitor area.<br>
</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Broadening the target market beyond a focus on developers provides an opportunity to increase the number of conference attendees, users, and potential future sponsors. From my read about the OSGEO foundation this seems like it could reasonably fit under OSGEO's purview: "OSGeo also serves as an outreach and advocacy organization for the open source geospatial community" - <a href="http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/about.html"><a href="http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/about.html">http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/about.html</a></a><br>
</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">If this seems like an idea worth exploring I'd be willing to work with whoever else is interested to help think through what this may look like and test its viability, possibly by using surveys sent out through the education, government, and business realms.<br>
</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">-Lisa Sweeney<br></p>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Mark Lucas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mlucas17@mac.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:mlucas17@mac.com">mlucas17@mac.com</a></a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Chris,<div><br><div>Good point, but I'd expect that we could rubber stamp the Denver conference and match or exceed this year's number. Colorado is a geospatial center for the US. I think the break even target for this year was somewhere around 500, so it would be prudent to target that or slightly higher. As government budgets get whacked I'm expecting a lot more interest from government agencies. In any case, it was a very successful conference and this years attendees will help spread the word.</div>
<div><br></div><font color="#888888"><div>Mark</div></font><div><div></div><div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Sep 23, 2011, at 7:13 AM, <a href="mailto:christopher.schmidt@nokia.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:christopher.schmidt@nokia.com">christopher.schmidt@nokia.com</a></a> wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>On Sep 22, 2011, at 10:37 PM, ext Mark Lucas wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Yep, and that is just returning attendees. 67% were new attendees for 2011. So it would seem we could easily duplicate the 900 attendees at this years conference.<br>
</blockquote><br>I don't think it works like that.<br><br>FOSS4G was in the US for the first time in a long time; the space itself has changed<br>drastically since 2004 (or even 2007) when it was last practical to attend<br>
the conf. for a lot of people.<br><br>I think that the new market for attendees was huge this year, but I don't<br>think it's fair to extrapolate that it will *always* be that big;<br>I think that imagining the market/space will grow by as much between <br>
2011->2012 as it did between 2007 and 2011 is a pretty big <br>expectation.<br><br>I would start with mpg's numbers and go up slightly, unless you believe there<br>is somehow a very large untapped potential that Denver did not address; <br>
I think that imagining a 25% growth of new attendees is reasonable, but<br>expecting *two thirds* new attendees again would be excessive.<br><br>-- Chris<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Mark<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 22, 2011, at 9:34 PM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">For “likely to attend a FOSS4G in NorAmer next year” (#19), the responses were<br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">1: 10%<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
2: 10%<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">3: 25%<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">4: 20%<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">5: 35%<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Let us assign probabilities to the 1-5 scale like this:<br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">1: 0% (will not attend)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">2: 20% chance of attending<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">3: 40%<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">4: 60%<br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">5: 80%<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
Assume 900 attendees at this conference. Then, we can project the attendance at the postulated local NorAmer conference to be<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">.10(900) * 0 + .10(900) * .20 + .25(900) * .40 + .20(900) * .60 + .35(900) * .80<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">= 0 + 18 + 90 + 108 + 252<br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">= 468<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
Check my math, but we could be looking at a ~500 person gig.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-mpg<br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From: <a href="mailto:board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a></a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a></a>] On Behalf Of Peter Batty<br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:02 PM<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To: foss4g2011-private; <a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org">board@lists.osgeo.org</a></a>; conference<br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: [Board] Fwd: Preliminary Survey Results<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi all,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Thought I would share a few preliminary results from the post-FOSS4G survey. As James says below, we'll get the data in a better form for analysis once we close the survey. But we got responses from 1/3 of attendees within 24 hours, which is great!<br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">A few things I'd highlight:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">67% of attendees were at their first FOSS4G<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
46% answered 5 to the question how heavily do you currently use geospatial open source, remainder split fairly evenly between 1-4.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">61% were software developers as main job function, 18% end users, 20% managers<br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Overall rating of FOSS4G was 4.31 on a scale of 1-5, which is impressive!<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
Highest ranked function was the Wynkoop reception at 4.55.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Quality of presentations was ranked at 4.07.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">72% answered 1 or 2 on how likely they are to be in Beijing, 14% answered 4 or 5.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">57% answered 4 or 5 on attending a "local FOSS4G" if there was one in North America next year.<br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Of various possible options proposed for future FOSS4Gs, the one involving an annual local conference in North America was the highest rated by some margin (though obviously a sample skewed towards North Americans).<br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">We need the more detailed spreadsheet to get scores and comments for individual workshops, I think that will be another important thing to look at in planning for next year.<br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Lots of interesting stuff in the comments too that we can use to make future events better.<br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Cheers,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
Peter.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br></blockquote>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From: James Sakamoto <<a href="mailto:jsakamoto@gita.org" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:jsakamoto@gita.org">jsakamoto@gita.org</a></a>><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
Date: Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:36 PM<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Preliminary Survey Results<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
To: Peter Batty <<a href="mailto:peter@ebatty.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:peter@ebatty.com">peter@ebatty.com</a></a>><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Cc: Bob Samborski <<a href="mailto:bsamborski@gita.org" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:bsamborski@gita.org">bsamborski@gita.org</a></a>>, Libby Hanna <<a href="mailto:lhanna@gita.org" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:lhanna@gita.org">lhanna@gita.org</a></a>>, Patricia Essex <<a href="mailto:pessex@gita.org" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:pessex@gita.org">pessex@gita.org</a></a>><br>
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Hi Pete,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Thought we would share the preliminary survey results. It is still very early but, so far, you almost have 300 (285) responses which would be nearly 33%!!! That is a tremendous response. Generally we get about 10-15%.<br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This is just the summarized PDF synopsis. When the survey closes we should be able to provide you with an Excel formatted report that you can manipulate as you please.<br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Thanks,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
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