<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Yes, we'd tell them first certainly. </div><div><br></div><div>At this point, it's just a discussion (in which I wish the Beijing LOC would participate!)...<span class="Apple-style-span" style> </span></div>
<div><br>.<span class="Apple-style-span" style>mpg</span></div><div><br>On May 2, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div>
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    Michael,<br>
    I suggest that if the board do decide on a major change of support
    of FOSS4G Beijing (such as pulling events), that Beijing be notified
    in advance of the public announcement. I think this is a matter of
    courtesy, and will give Beijing some lead time to decide their
    follow on strategy. (While we do wish to inform the OSGeo community
    of the situation as our highest priority, as a secondary priority we
    still do wish to continue to give FOSS4G Beijing every opportunity
    to be as successful as it can be.)<br>
    <br>
    Aside: I'm not weighing in on whether events should or should not be
    pulled.<br>
    <br>
    On 3/05/2012 9:36 AM, nicolas bozon wrote:
    <blockquote cite="mid:CA+FFBY_s_u_i4BFmbOxXQ87BCWmwHK59AKixFr_hCh1wgtBKHQ@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">Hello,<br>
      <br>
      You are right Michael<br>
      I was just suggesting that the Board and Community would try to
      bring global FOSS4G up to its usual level of excellence. WIth our
      without the Beijing team. There are means, but nobody's want to
      take them i think.<br>
      About Jeff, no worry, i was just thinking that if his proposal and
      help for FOSS4G 2012 was "accepted", then there would be may be
      less troubles, that's only it. May be i am wrong, may be he knew
      the LOC there too. <br>
      Any way, let's try our best for Beijing ! i hope<br>
      Best,<br>
      <br>
      Nick<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/3 Michael P. Gerlek <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mpg@flaxen.com" target="_blank">mpg@flaxen.com</a>></span><br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Nick:</span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It’s
                  hard, yes, but what else would you suggest we do? The
                  board has no leverage to get the Beijing team to
                  perform better; we have tried repeatedly to engage
                  them without success, and we have no legal contract
                  with them either.</span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Anyway,
                  everyone should be aware that I’m NOT suggesting that
                  the global FOSS4G be cancelled permanently: we have
                  two very strong proposals for 2013, backed by
                  well-known members of the community. It’s only 2012
                  that I’m expressing my opinions about. (And they’re
                  just my opinions of course; I don’t speak for the
                  board as a whole!)</span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">((
                  Also: that Jeff is not participating has nothing to do
                  with this, and I wish people would stop bringing it
                  up. Beijing’s problems are what they are, and Jeff
                  belatedly declined to assist in the 2012 effort for
                  his own personal reasons. Que sera; no one of us is
                  indispensable. ))</span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">-mpg</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                        nicolas bozon [mailto:<a href="mailto:nicolas.bozon@gmail.com" target="_blank">nicolas.bozon@gmail.com</a>] <br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 02, 2012 4:16 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:mpg@flaxen.com" target="_blank">mpg@flaxen.com</a><br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> Seven (aka Arnulf); <a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">board@lists.osgeo.org</a></span></p>
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                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Board] Fwd: [OSGeo-Discuss]
                        Fwd: Foss4g 2012 ???</div>
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                      Hi all,<br>
                      <br>
                      Mpg, whooa, you're the first one to publicly say
                      that FOSS4G 2012 will be a regional event finally.<br>
                      So what is happening to OSGeo this year ? No
                      FOSS4G ? No Conference "Man" ? No ambassadors
                      right ?<br>
                      That's pretty hard. I mean i' don't see this year
                      without any global FOSS4G, without any AGM,
                      without any shootout (either WMS, WFS or WPS), and
                      without our annual global gathering.<br>
                      I know the Chinese team is late or may be did not
                      do the job OSGeo is waiting from a LOC. But what ?
                      <br>
                      Shoud'nt people, community, or the highest
                      instances of OSGeo react to this ?<br>
                      What is the Foundation going to do ? Just to
                      annouce that we have no FOSS4G this year ?<br>
                      Or just that community that is not attending
                      FOSS4G-NA, FOSS4G-CEE or FOSS4G-CN just won't have
                      any FOSS4G this year ?<br>
                      That'd be the first year without any global event,
                      at least for me, and at least without Jeff too...<br>
                      I really think that if FOSS4G is going to become a
                      regional event, then we MUST have Ambassadors and
                      much stronger local chapters.<br>
                      <br>
                      My 2 cents<br>
                      <br>
                      Best,<br>
                      <br>
                      Nick<br>
                      <br>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">2012/5/2 Michael P. Gerlek
                        <<a href="mailto:mpg@flaxen.com" target="_blank">mpg@flaxen.com</a>></p>
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                        I'm going to be the pessimist/extremist this
                        time around:<br>
                        <br>
                        The Beijing team has had plenty of time to get
                        things going, but they have not succeeded. We
                        reached out to them several times in several
                        ways, but with no success.<br>
                        <br>
                        Therefore, we (the board) should be honest with
                        our community and officially remove the "annual
                        FOSS4G meeting" designation from this event.
                        That is within our authority and responsibility.<br>
                        <br>
                        It won't be the right venue for the Sol Katz,
                        the AGM, or the Shootout, because we won't have
                        some of the key players there -- the distance to
                        travel was a big enough burden to start with,
                        but the lack of progress by the LOC has probably
                        killed off any remaining chance of getting good
                        international attendance. I don't think the AGM,
                        Sol Katz, or Shootout should be held in Beijing,
                        as the expected size, audience makeup, and
                        organizational aspects there won't be
                        significant enough.<br>
                        <br>
                        The Beijing team is welcome to continue to hold
                        an event, of course, but it will be "just" a
                        regional event (e.g. like the North American one
                        we had last month).<br>
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                          <span>-mpg</span></span></p>
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                            > -----Original Message-----<br>
                            > From: <a href="mailto:board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>
                            [mailto:<a href="mailto:board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>]
                            On Behalf Of Seven (aka Arnulf)<br>
                            > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:18 AM<br>
                            > To: <a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">board@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                            > Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd:
                            [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Foss4g 2012 ???<br>
                            ><br>
                            > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
                            > Hash: SHA1<br>
                            ><br>
                            > On 02.05.2012 18:58, nicolas bozon
                            wrote:<br>
                            > > Hi all,<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > I agree Peter,<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > However, OSGeo and Board should
                            probably focuss on Beijing that<br>
                            > > will happen, before advertizing
                            Nottingham or Helsinki. I mean, is<br>
                            > > there a way that board and
                            community should try to 'save' that next<br>
                            > > foss4g ? At least to get a real
                            website, some calls for<br>
                            > > papers/sponsors and may be a few
                            attendees from EU or US, not only<br>
                            > > people from China or Asia; it
                            should be possible, even in 4/5<br>
                            > > months ? am i wrong or desparate ?<br>
                            ><br>
                            > Thanks for chiming in, Nick.<br>
                            ><br>
                            > Yes, you are desperate - as we are. We
                            have been trying to get a<br>
                            > website work over the past three months
                            - to no avail. There will<br>
                            > still be some EU and US folks but not
                            comparable to what we got used<br>
                            > to with prior FOSS4G. It will not be
                            comparable to the previous<br>
                            > version of the global event - simply
                            because we are running out of<br>
                            > time. Our message is intended to make
                            this clear to potential sponsors<br>
                            > and to individuals and organizations
                            who expect FOSS4G in Beijing to<br>
                            > be "the" event. From all that I can
                            tell it is not even sure whether<br>
                            > we will be able to have a majority of
                            the board of directors there and<br>
                            > the AGM - if it takes place - will
                            likely not represent a global<br>
                            > representation either. Not sure whether
                            we will have a WMS shootout,<br>
                            > whether there will be workshops, or who
                            of the globally recognized<br>
                            > bigshot devs will be there - and all of
                            these things need to be<br>
                            > addressed in the coming weeks.<br>
                            ><br>
                            > Best regards,<br>
                            > Arnulf<br>
                            ><br>
                            > > Best,<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > Nick<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > 2012/5/2 Peter Batty <<a href="mailto:peter@ebatty.com" target="_blank">peter@ebatty.com</a>
                            <mailto:<a href="mailto:peter@ebatty.com" target="_blank">peter@ebatty.com</a>>><br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > Also, while we don't want it to be
                            too long, we should maybe say<br>
                            > > something along the lines of ...<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > While we continue to review and
                            evolve our conference strategy,<br>
                            > > and anticipate multiple regional
                            conferences in 2013, we do plan to<br>
                            > > hold the primary global FOSS4G
                            conference in Europe in 2013. We<br>
                            > > have a selection process under way
                            and the two candidates remaining<br>
                            > > are Helsinki and Nottingham.<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:31 AM,
                            Jo Cook<br>
                            > > <<a href="mailto:jocook@astuntechnology.com" target="_blank">jocook@astuntechnology.com</a>
                            <mailto:<a href="mailto:jocook@astuntechnology.com" target="_blank">jocook@astuntechnology.com</a>>><br>
                            > > wrote:<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > Hi Arnulf,<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > In general I think this is fine. I
                            think, for the sake of the<br>
                            > > conspiracy-theorists amongst our
                            membership that we should maybe<br>
                            > > reiterate the point about the main
                            FOSS4G, with the Sol Katz, AGM,<br>
                            > > Directors F2F etc. This currently
                            reads as if the Chinese event is<br>
                            > > on the same level as the NA and
                            CEE events, and regardless of the<br>
                            > > issues at this stage it's still
                            the main event. It's also quite<br>
                            > > circumspect as well- maybe we
                            should be a little more enthusiastic<br>
                            > > about it?<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > I've added another paragraph
                            in-line which is my attempt at<br>
                            > > addressing this (feel free to
                            change)<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > Jo<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 5:21 PM,
                            Seven (aka Arnulf) <<a href="mailto:seven@arnulf.us" target="_blank">seven@arnulf.us</a><br>
                            > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:seven@arnulf.us" target="_blank">seven@arnulf.us</a>>>
                            wrote:<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > Board, in order to address the
                            growing number of requests (see<br>
                            > > another one below) I suggest that
                            we officially communicate that<br>
                            > > FOSS4G in China is going to happen
                            - but under somewhat different<br>
                            > > circumstances than the previous
                            FOSS4G conferences might have us<br>
                            > > expect.<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > As an addendum I suggest to add
                            that: This year saw quite a<br>
                            > > significant change in the policy
                            around FOSS4G. It is the first<br>
                            > > time that we are having three
                            major FOSS4G conferences in one year.<br>
                            > > One has already happened in North
                            America (Washington DC, USA),<br>
                            > > the second Central and Eastern
                            Europe edition will take place in<br>
                            > > May in Prague in the Czech Repulic
                            and the third one will take<br>
                            > > place in China, Beijing. In
                            addition there is a growing number of<br>
                            > > local conferences, sometimes also
                            under the name FOSS4G. OSGeo is<br>
                            > > new to this and we are still
                            collecting experiences as to the<br>
                            > > effects that this diversity has on
                            the originally one and only<br>
                            > > global FOSS4G.<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > ><br>
                            > >> Having said that, FOSS4G in
                            Beijing is still our main FOSS4G<br>
                            > >> event, and we will be holding
                            the Sol Katz award, OSGeo AGM and<br>
                            > >> Board of Directors meeting
                            there. We fully support the event and<br>
                            > >> the efforts being put in by
                            the Beijing team and hope to see as<br>
                            > >> many of you there as possible.<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > The conference organizers in
                            Beijing have experienced serious<br>
                            > > delays in the schedule due to
                            local circumstances which OSGeo<br>
                            > > cannot influence. It is therefore
                            at this point in time not clear<br>
                            > > how many international sponsors or
                            participants will be in<br>
                            > > Beijing. If you are interested in
                            becoming a sponsor we suggest to<br>
                            > > directly contact the Beijing
                            organizing team through the FOSS4G<br>
                            > > 2012 mailing list. If you are
                            interested in submitting an abstract<br>
                            > > for a presentation or a workshop
                            please be prepared to have a short<br>
                            > > submission period which will be
                            announced on all channels once<br>
                            > > available.<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > EOF<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > Please help me edit this message.
                            It should not be too long so<br>
                            > > that people actually take the time
                            to read it. We must send<br>
                            > > something along these lines now
                            because sponsors are delaying their<br>
                            > > support for other potential events
                            which would make more sense to<br>
                            > > them. And in general we do not
                            make a good impression with FOSS4G<br>
                            > > in China right now, so stepping
                            back a bit and explaining why is<br>
                            > > required. On the other hand we
                            also want to be as positive as<br>
                            > > possible towards the our Chinese
                            hosts. If you have any better<br>
                            > > ideas I am all open for a
                            completely new message but we cannot<br>
                            > > delay this any more.<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > Cheers, Arnulf<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > -------- Original Message --------
                            Subject:        [OSGeo-Discuss]<br>
                            > > Fwd: Foss4g 2012 ??? Date:   Tue,
                            1 May 2012 13:47:41 +0200 From:<br>
                            > > Massimiliano Cannata <<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a><br>
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                            > > Hi all, I didn't see any news
                            since a long time. On the website no<br>
                            > > deadlines or communications...
                            Usually things was already moved...<br>
                            > > What's up? What's going on?<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > I would expect soon communication
                            from the board as this the<br>
                            > > 'official' OSGeo event...<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > Looking forward for a successful
                            2012 event.<br>
                            > ><br>
                            > > Maxi<br>
                            > ><br>
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