I agree with Paul totally- and while I can't speak for the off-list debate, I didn't read the discussion on this list as particularly negative. Personally, I want more info before I vote on anything, and I've been trying to get that info ever since. Ironically, my proposed changes to the motion were designed to be more positive from OSGeo's perspective- eg lets not phrase this as something we need to do because we think OSGeo is failing, but lets do it because it seems like a good thing to do.<div>
<br></div><div>I didn't really read much negativity into other people's comments either- only good old-fashioned discussion.</div><div><br></div><div>Jo<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Paul Ramsey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pramsey@opengeo.org" target="_blank">pramsey@opengeo.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I for one am not opposed to playing footsie (and, indeed, welcome our<br>
new corporate overlords</gratuitousreference>), but at the end of the<br>
day wonder "what does it mean?" What concrete actions would arise from<br>
this talking? Projects dual-listed as "OSGeo projects" and "Eclipse<br>
projects". Are we just saying that we don't expect our projects to "go<br>
steady" with us (do we even currently expect them to? I don't think<br>
so?) Are we saying more than that? I guess it never got past the<br>
footsie stage so people are probably reacting to the blank slate of<br>
possibilities by projecting their own worst (best) interpretations of<br>
what *could* happen.<br>
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On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Michael P. Gerlek <<a href="mailto:mpg@flaxen.com">mpg@flaxen.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> The board motion I proposed earlier was to encourage our projects to work with the Eclipse Foundation where it made sense to do so. It was intended to be a simple and relatively mild proposal as a first step towards working together in the future. Unfortunately, the reaction to this was negative and in some (off-list) cases downright hostile.<br>
><br>
> Given that reaction, I suspect it unlikely the Eclipse Foundation would be willing to sponsor OSGeo at this time. I'm certainly not willing to re-enter the fray without strong support from others in OSGeo.<br>
><br>
> _mpg<br>
><br>
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> Mark,<br>
> this is a good summary, thanks.<br>
><br>
> In my understanding we already decided to go ahead with continue talking to the Eclipse Foundation. But we need a primary contact on our side who leads this effort and maybe Michael is frustrated enough to not want to take the lead here (Michael, can you chime in please?).<br>
><br>
> My proposal was to ask Eclipse to become a strategic sponsor - and work out together with them what this will exactly "buy" them. I would be happy to explore this together with someone from Eclipse but as I am in Europe and most of the rest of the board is in Northern Americas it might make more sense to have someone else take this on. Ideas?<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
> Arnulf<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 11.06.2012 15:58, Mark Lucas wrote:<br>
>> OSGeo future and Eclipse?<br>
>><br>
>> Sorry I haven't gotten back to this earlier.<br>
>><br>
>> I hope this won't be misinterpreted so let me emphasize a couple of<br>
>> points:<br>
>><br>
>> I believe the OSGeo is the global leader in open source geospatial<br>
>> development We have the top projects as members, we have<br>
>> infrastructure that supports development, we host great international,<br>
>> regional and local conferences. I am also very impressed with the<br>
>> caliber of the committees and board members<br>
>><br>
>> I would like to see us preserve all of that an enhance it.<br>
>><br>
>> There is always room for improvement and areas of concern, maybe some<br>
>> of those could be addressed through a relationship with another entity<br>
>> - such as Eclipse.<br>
>><br>
>> 1) We have no staff 2) Our president is stepping down - who is the<br>
>> face of OSGeo? 3) We spend much more time discussing how we spend the<br>
>> little money we have then how we raise more funding 4) There is not<br>
>> any real focus on open source business models 5) Many of the ex<br>
>> Directors, open source geospatial companies, and key contributors are<br>
>> focusing on other avenues (DM Solutions, OpenGeo, Autodesk,<br>
>> RadiantBlue, ESRI, Oracle just off the top of my head). 6) I'm worried<br>
>> how we sustain and grow the organization<br>
>><br>
>> Please don't take this as a doom and gloom forecast. We have success<br>
>> and inertia behind us, as the board we have the obligation to guide<br>
>> the organization. Now is the time to think about the way ahead. I'm<br>
>> all for exploring a relationship with Eclipse if we believe it<br>
>> preserves our strengths and helps to address my concerns.<br>
>><br>
>> Mark<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Jun 11, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Jo Cook wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Hi All,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I have been chatting to someone who it turns out is peripherally<br>
>>> involved in the Eclipse LWG and is going to be in on a conference<br>
>>> call with them on Thursday. He has a small open source GIS project,<br>
>>> and they have offered to put it under their banner. He is ambivalent,<br>
>>> but I've asked him for some more background on what they offer, and<br>
>>> any process that projects would need to go through. I'm hoping that<br>
>>> this will fill in some of the gaps that those of us (me in<br>
>>> particular) had about what Eclipse are offering, so that we can<br>
>>> kick-start the discussion again- hopefully a bit more positively this<br>
>>> time with the additional background.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I hope that's useful, and that people feel the discussion is worth<br>
>>> kick-starting- I certainly do. If so, I'll report back towards the<br>
>>> end of the week when I have some more information.<br>
>>><br>
>>> All the best<br>
>>><br>
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