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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Cameron,<br>
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I'll do my best to answer in-line.<br>
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On 10/03/2012 06:50 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Andrew,<br>
I'm wanting to get down to the details of what is and is not
expected and acceptable, because I'm sure we will need to answer
community questions about this in the future. (My questions are
deliberately baiting in order to try to flush out what might be
obvious to yourself).<br>
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Q1: What types of working groups are you expecting LocationTech
to host which people will wish to be involved in? Why would such
groups be set up to be exclusive, rather than "everyone's
welcome" which is current OSGeo default?<br>
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This model is very common and one often used for standards bodies,
industry associations, and the like. If you look at OGC for example
it'll look eerily familiar.<br>
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You use the term everyone's welcome as though implying that everyone
is not welcome to the working groups at LocationTech. They are
indeed very welcome. There are fees for some services. To illustrate
my point, FOSS4G charges registration. Why can't FOSS4G be
"everyone's welcome"? Same answer... the funds cover costs and
support delivering benefits to the ecosystem.<br>
<br>
Comparing apples with apples, the open source projects at
LocationTech are "everyone's welcome" just as they are at OSGeo.<br>
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As I meet new people getting involved at LocationTech I try very
hard to understand their needs and wants as a prelude to helping
them achieve them. One thing I have learned is they are diverse.
Some common themes include advancing the state of the art, tight
integration with other enterprise IT systems, creating new reference
implementations of standards, and more. For this reason it's not
really practical for me to encapsulate so much information
succinctly here.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> Q2: If a person wants to be involved
in a LocationTech working group, what process should they
follow? Should they lobby the OSGeo board asking to be assigned
as an official OSGeo delegate?<br>
Should OSGeo board allow anyone who asks to be given delegate
status?<br>
If not, what are the criteria for being allocated delegate
status? More importantly, under what circumstances does the
board reject the request?<br>
Is there a limit to the number of OSGeo representatives
LocationTech will accept?<br>
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OSGeo would appoint a single delegate. Given the potential the
relationship with LocationTech represents, it might make sense for
it to be a board member. To be honest, it isn't my place to say how
this person should be identified.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> Q3: What value does LocationTech
hope to gain by including OSGeo as a member organisation?<br>
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To foster the important idea that it really is one ecosystem. To
promote collaboration. To invite valuable input to shape the
direction of the working group & help shape the industry. etc.
etc.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> Q4: What value does OSGeo gain?<br>
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Another useful forum to relate to companies including big ones
without giving up autonomy. Another way to find and approach
potential sponsors.<br>
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Q5: What level of effort is required, by whom, within OSGeo? Eg:
A requirement for a high level of involvement from the OSGeo
board might not be sustainable. <br>
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The work isn't too onerous I don't think. Participate on a monthly
conference call. Participate on the mailing list. Look for
opportunities of interest to OSGeo. To be honest there are multiple
people that might make excellent candidates to represent OSGeo
already doing this informally. The representative can be changed at
any time.<br>
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On 4/10/2012 7:01 AM, Andrew Ross wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Cameron,<br>
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In practice, a formal representative from OSGeo would
participate in the working group sessions and discussions.<br>
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The links I provided provide a short summary of membership
rights and privileges. The <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.eclipse.org/org/documents/Eclipse%20BYLAWS%202011_08_15%20Final.pdf">Eclipse
Foundation bylaws</a> (PDF) and <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.eclipse.org/org/industry-workgroups/locationtech_charter.php">LocationTech
charter</a> are the canonical pages with much detail.<br>
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Any individual designated by OSGeo can be the representative.
The representative can be changed as needed. What you wrote
sounds like any number of people and that's not right.<br>
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Hope this helps,<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
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On 10/03/2012 04:17 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:506C9D6D.2060206@gmail.com" type="cite">Andrew,
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Can you please expand on what such membership would mean in
practice. Is there a web page explaining what such membership
entails? <br>
<br>
Does this membership provide an avenue for any individual to
participate in Locationtech by noting they are part of OSGeo
(as OSGeo accepts anyone offering to help OSGeo)? <br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Thank you Frank. <br>
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That's right regarding formal representation for OSGeo at
LocationTech. <br>
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And confirmed re: OSGeo wouldn't be a Steering Committee
member for $0. <br>
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For what it's worth, OSGeo could be a Steering Committee
member for $15K/year at any point. <br>
<br>
Andrew <br>
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On 10/03/2012 02:13 PM, Frank Warmerdam wrote: <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Andrew, <br>
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Thanks - I have added this to our agenda for the next
board meeting at: <br>
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I gather to make this useful we would want to have one or
more <br>
OSGeo representatives to join various LocationTech mailing
lists <br>
to participate in discussions and act as a liason? I
gather we would <br>
be general members of the locationtech working group, but
not <br>
voting members of the steering committee, right? <br>
<br>
Best regards, <br>
Frank <br>
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On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Andrew Ross <a
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<blockquote type="cite">Hi Everyone, <br>
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On behalf of the LocationTech Steering Committee, I
would like to formally <br>
invite OSGeo to participate in LocationTech.
LocationTech's Steering <br>
Committee unanimously agreed to invite OSGeo to
participate without <br>
membership dues. To do so, OSGeo would sign up as an
Associate member of the <br>
Eclipse Foundation ($0 for OSGeo) and Participating
member of LocationTech <br>
(also $0 due to the invitation). <br>
<br>
OSGeo's involvement in this working group: <br>
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helps influence the working group's direction <br>
provides a useful forum for OSGeo to engage companies <br>
maintains close ties to help identify opportunities of
mutual benefit & <br>
collaboration <br>
<br>
Best regards, <br>
<br>
Andrew <br>
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