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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I acknowledge comments of Jeff and
      Peter.<br>
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      I'm +1 to funding OSGeo President's travel to FOSS4G, as proposed
      by Peter.<br>
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      On 15/07/2013 9:03 PM, Peter Batty wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Cameron, 
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        <div>I don't think we should get into this level of detail about
          the duties. The main specific reason the President is there
          (IMO) is to give a talk on the state of OSGeo, and in general
          to be a representative of OSGeo as needed (as always). 
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          <div style="">I don't think that the organization of the OSGeo
            booth should be an automatic duty of the President. We are a
            volunteer organization and I would hope the work would be
            spread around. Since the President needs to prepare and give
            a keynote talk (which I know from experience is a lot of
            work), I would hope that in most cases we could find some
            other volunteers to take care of the booth. I'd expect that
            any board members who are at the show, President included,
            should spend some time on the OSGeo booth, but I don't think
            that is directly related to this motion.</div>
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          <div style="">I'm okay with saying that we can fund someone
            else to go if the President can't make it, but not sure if
            we need to specifically say that here, the board at the time
            could make that decision as needed. In practice I suspect
            that if the President couldn't make it, we would probably
            only fund someone else to go if there wasn't a suitable
            stand-in already planning to attend via other funding. But
            if the general feeling is that we should add a clause like
            this, I would have no problem with that.</div>
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        <div style="">Cheers,</div>
        <div style="">    Peter.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 4:00 PM,
          Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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              <div>Peter, I'm in favor of the principle, but would like
                to broaden the discussion before voting.<br>
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                1. First, I suggest that the global FOSS4G should cover
                the travel expenses of one OSGeo board member to attend
                the conference to speak on behalf of OSGeo, defaulting
                to the OSGeo president in most cases.<br>
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                2. The OSGeo Advocate page has a guide for expenses
                here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate#Expenses</a><br>
                This includes a speakers fee (to cover loss of wages),
                which can be waived. I suggest that the global FOSS4G
                conference should cover travel and expenses, but not
                this speakers fee. My reasoning is that I think it
                improves the reputation of the board's integrity if we
                are not perceived to be doing the job as a money making
                exercise.<br>
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                3. As Jeff has already volunteered to do for this
                conference, I think that there should be an expectation
                upon the paid OSGeo delegate to coordinate the OSGeo
                booth and marketing at the conference.
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                    On 15/07/2013 5:55 AM, Peter Batty wrote:<br>
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                        Board,</div>
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                        I (and the Nottingham LOC) just recently found
                        out that Jeff was not going to be able to make
                        it to FOSS4G Nottingham because of lack of
                        funding. Steven and the LOC would really like to
                        have Jeff there, and I would too. While I
                        support the growth of regional events, I think
                        there's something special about the global event
                        and I think it's important for OSGeo that our
                        President is there. </div>
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                        style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">We

                        have talked to Jeff and he has indicated that he
                        will be able to attend if his expenses are
                        covered. The LOC has budget for funding keynote
                        speakers as needed, and could just go ahead and
                        fund Jeff's attendance from that, which is a
                        fallback option.</div>
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                        style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">However,

                        I'm raising this with the board as I think we
                        should establish a principle that OSGeo should
                        pay the President's expenses to go to the annual
                        global conference every year (unless he or she
                        is in a position to fund travel by other means).
                        I think this is a very reasonable thing to do -
                        like I said, I really think it's important for
                        the Foundation that the President should be
                        there each year. But it's not reasonable to
                        expect whoever is President to fund that from
                        their own pocket. I was opposed to automatically
                        funding the whole board to go, just because that
                        becomes a significantly larger expense for OSGeo
                        and quite a number of board members, myself
                        included, work for larger companies who are
                        willing to fund them to attend. And while it's
                        good to have a reasonable number of board
                        members there, I don't think it's critical to
                        the event to have all board members in
                        attendance. But I do think it's really important
                        for the President to be there.</div>
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                        style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Financially

                        of course, it would ultimately amount to the
                        same thing for OSGeo whether the LOC just
                        approves the expense or whether the board
                        approves this. But I think we should agree to do
                        it on an ongoing basis.</div>
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                        style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Procedurally

                        I don't know if I should propose this as a
                        motion at the next board meeting, or whether we
                        can just have a vote via email. Just in case, I
                        propose a tentative motion:</div>
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                        style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">OSGeo

                        will refund reasonable travel and living
                        expenses for the OSGeo President to attend the
                        global FOSS4G conference each year. The
                        President has the option of declining this
                        funding if he or she can obtain funding from
                        another source.</div>
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                        style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Please

                        let me know what you think.</div>
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                        style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Cheers,</div>
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                          Peter.</div>
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Software and Data Solutions Manager
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