<div dir="ltr">Frank and Cameron,<div><br></div><div>I think you've both hit the nail right on the head. Before the DC event, there was a push to start an NA Chapter explicitly to help with putting some broader framework around this regional event. At the time, the Board did not see the value in having any sorts of "meta" chapters and the request for an NA Chapter was turned down. There currently is no process for reaching consensus on where the next NA event.</div>
<div><br></div><div>My main argument is not whether we need an NA Chapter or whether we want OSGeo Global to pick the NA event, but we do need something. With the successes of the DC event and the Minneapolis event (and the very significant seed money we have earmarked for the next NA specific event) I am very optimistic about the continued growth of the NA event. </div>
<div><br></div><div>As to Cameron's "control" vs. "support". I would say that support from OSGeo is absolutely welcome and critical for continued success. I have to admit to being more ambivalent on the control question. I would personally be OK with more OSGeo control, but if that is the case, we need to make what that means very clear. Ambiguity of expectations is the thing that will lead to problems whether those are with revenue sharing or expectations of things that need to happen at events (ie OSGeo table/ Live DVD).</div>
<div><br></div><div>David</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Frank Warmerdam <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:warmerdam@pobox.com" target="_blank">warmerdam@pobox.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">David,<div><br></div><div>I'm curious how you think the FOSS4G-NA selection should work? Initially reaching rough consensus amoung various interested parties can work (as for the first two events), but I *feel* that one of the benefits of OSGeo or a local chapter is some sort of relatively unambiguous way of reaching decisions. Are you thinking there would be a FOSS4G-NA committee to make future siting decisions? Should it continue to be by rough consensus among interested parties? </div>
<div><br></div><div>In my ideal world there would be an at least moderately formalized committee to select new sites, possibly making a recommendation to the board if we want to have OSGeo holding money and backing the event. If there was an NA chapter, then that chapter could take care of things. Lacking that I'm not sure if there ought to be a FOSS4G-NA committee or what. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>(Retitling this email thread as I don't
believe it is relevant to the FOSS4G global decision).<br>
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Hi David,<br>
I think you are touching on the subtle difference between "OSGeo
support" vs "OSGeo control" of regional FOSS4G events.<br>
As you are hinting at, "Support" is welcome, "Control" is not. Ie,
OSGeo should aim to collect a repository of wisdom and best
practices, which regional conferences can draw upon, but still
give regional conferences the flexibility to be creative and
innovative and do things differently if they wish.<br>
<br>
With regards to city selection for FOSS4G-NA, I agree that it
should be up to the region to decide the process for selecting the
city.<br>
<br>
On 23/07/2013 10:36 PM, David William Bitner wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The precedence to date has been that the regional
events are events selected and organized by the regions at a bit
of an arms length from OSGeo International. FOSS4G-NA in
Minneapolis did not have the resources to operate without OSGeo
as a financial backstop (note we just needed the "insurance" of
a financial backstop, not any up-front thanks to the FOSS4G-NA
organizers in DC).
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<div>If OSGeo is going to get in the business of selecting the
locations for any of these regionals, in my opinion, OSGeo
better be willing to step up to play a much more active role
in these events. The direction from OSGeo to these regional
events has been wishy-washy at best. I think that OSGeo needs
a real strategy for these events. FOSS4G-NA is not a
consolation prize, it is an event thrown by and for the NA
community with a focus on the issues of that region.</div>
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<div>If the OSGeo Board and the Conf Comm believe that an LOC
needs more experience, I think it is reasonable to encourage
them to bid for a regional event as things are run right now.</div>
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David</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:50 PM,
Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div>Hi Mark,<br>
I do like your proposal of 1st place being awarded
FOSS4G Global, and 2nd place being offered FOSS4G-NA the
following year.<br>
<br>
However, I'm not sure who will be responsible for
selecting the FOSS4G-NA city, or what process is in
place (if any) for selecting a FOSS4G-NA city. If
someone following this thread is in the know, I'd
encourage you to speak up.
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<div><br>
<br>
On 23/07/2013 12:01 PM, Mark Lucas wrote:<br>
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<div>Sounds like we are making up the rules as we go
along. I think we either have a board vote or
not. If someone wants to abstain because they
believe they have a conflict of interest that
should be their personal decision.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'd like to find a way to select one as the
international conference and let the other
organize as a regional. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'd really like to find a way to build up OSGeo
revenues through some of the regional conferences
as well. Perhaps as simple as when they need
OSGeo financial backing we work a division of
profits.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>First step is simply selecting the
international venue.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Mark</div>
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<div>On Jul 22, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Daniel
Morissette <<a href="mailto:dmorissette@mapgears.com" target="_blank">dmorissette@mapgears.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On 13-07-22 8:33 AM, Bart
van den Eijnden wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Right, this makes sense
Arnulf.<br>
<br>
My concern was merely that if there is one
proposal with "broad support"<br>
(a.k.a. conflict of interest), and all those
people step out of voting<br>
(both on the conf committee as on the board),
the vote will be very<br>
skewed. This is exactly what Daniel has
pointed out.<br>
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<br>
BTW, I believe Mark Lucas is on the DC LOC so
we'd lose him as well for the vote unless I'm
mistaken.<br>
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