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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">All,<br>
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      Lurking on this topic a little.<br>
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      Something I think related this is how to provide for support of
      openSource.  I'm coming from the Municipal Government side and one
      thing that is hard to do is trying to figure out how to hire Open
      Source groups/individuals for work items.  There is a percieved
      deliverable that needs to be described for most if not all funding
      streams for each cycle of development, and going at this from the
      professional services side of the equation has us running into
      Insurance requirements that are usually too restrictive to
      consider hiring any smaller OpenSource development groups.<br>
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      We've had most success by purchasing "Thing" and not needing to
      get into the Professional services side of contracting.<br>
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      I've wondered lately if there isn't some sort of separate category
      that needs to be described as a means of procurement.  A new type
      of product if you will.  I've only been thinking about this, and
      not really put anything to type yet, but it has been a major
      historical hurdle to get over in almost every attempt at trying to
      provide for OpenSourcers as they work.  The pity is that many
      smaller government units are using OpenSource since it's so
      inexpensive to get something going vs buying off the shelf
      software.<br>
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      I'm just relaying the idea of adding into the topic related to
      procurement processes and such.<br>
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      bobb<br>
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      On 05/04/2014 10:57 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAOhbgA=S3PW8nXi-trRC9UrEb4tzE3a=ZVZ3zp9UktfZK91c9g@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">You may like to at what Arnulf has been doing towards
      certification. Endorsing is a trickery game indeed. 
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      <div>For GeoServer we simply list organizations, noting what kind
        of work each is known for ( but not offering an endorsement). </div>
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      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/Commercial+Support">http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/Commercial+Support</a><br>
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        On Sunday, May 4, 2014, Steven Feldman <<a
          moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>>
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          <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Thanks Jody
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            <div>I would like to have a document or web link to point at
              as the start of a conversation with an organisation. It
              can’t be mandatory but we might want to consider community
              endorsement of organisations which adopt the charter or
              'social contract'</div>
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            <div>I’ll start a wiki page with a few thoughts and open it
              up for others to contribute their views<br>
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                  Steven<br>
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                <div>On 2 May 2014, at 12:14, Jody Garnett <<a
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                      think you are leaning towards the "social
                      contract" associated with being part of a
                      community.</div>
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                      style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px">For
                      organisations that do not wish to participate,
                      that is fine. Participation is one way of
                      minimising the risks associated with the use of
                      open source software, as long as they are making
                      that decision with a decent understanding that is
                      fine.</div>
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                      style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px">The
                      way I figure it they will get burned a few times
                      before taking interesting in participation :) But
                      yeah if you are talking to managers speak in terms
                      of risk and change control, not
                      community/participation - know your audience.</div>
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                      style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px">I
                      think I had a rant about the <a
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href="http://www.how2map.com/2013/09/opensource-and-social-contract.html"
                        target="_blank">social contact</a> last year, it
                      produced one more tester of GeoServer - making the
                      process of issuing release candidates suspect.</div>
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                      Jody Garnett</div>
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