Dear Arnulf, Cameron and All,<br>I wrote this e-mail because I don't think istSOS is in incubation.<div><br></div><div>This is because:</div><div>- i din't receive any confirmation from anybody about that</div><div>- istSOS is not listed in the "incubating" projects</div><div>- in all the presentations I saw that mentioned OSGeo projects and incubation project istSOS has been never mentioned</div><div><br></div><div>I think, that the board should vote on this. Am I wrong?</div><div><br></div><div>I didn't stress the mentor (Arnulf) because I think he will help me in achieve incubation requirements and improve the project, up to be able to graduate, eventually; not in bypassing forgetfulness or inattention in the procedure.</div><div><br></div><div>As soon as istSOS knows is in incubation, it might start to stress the Mentor to see what it miss (I believe a lot of things!!)</div><div><br></div><div>This mail "incubation nigthmare" was to underline that something is not working in the procedure of incubation.</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe istSOS will never be able to incubate, but at least starting would be a good point.</div><div><br></div><div>Maxi<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">Il giorno Mon Jan 26 2015 at 1:52:08 PM Seven (aka Arnulf) <<a href="mailto:seven@arnulf.us">seven@arnulf.us</a>> ha scritto:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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Massimiliano,<br>
before calling all of Incubation a nightmare I would suggest to check<br>
what may have gone bad in your specific case. I am the assigned mentor<br>
for istSOS so ideally you should first contact me directly before<br>
frustrating all on this list, right?<br>
<br>
<br>
Your last mail to me dates from April 24 2014 [0] and the first thing<br>
you say is that you can easily retrieve a "code agreement" - but I have<br>
not yet seen this manifest anywhere. So how to proceed?<br>
<br>
To me the most problematic section in the Incubation process of istSOS<br>
is the "Community Functioning". If you look at the Wiki web site [1]<br>
there are still quite a few "tba" (does that mean "to be added"?).<br>
Please add.<br>
<br>
The IstSOS Provenance Review page [2] in the Wiki is still not populated<br>
at all. Please add.<br>
<br>
Until those questions are answered I don't think that the project is<br>
ready to graduate.<br>
<br>
<br>
[later]<br>
Admittedly I was somewhat annoyed by your mail.<br>
<br>
...but now that I read maybe there has been a general misunderstanding.<br>
In my opinion IstSOS is already in incubation and I am just waiting for<br>
results. Rereading your mail it appears that you are still expecting<br>
some confirmation from the board level? Right?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
In general projects seem to expect the mentor to do all the work to get<br>
their project through incubation. This is not so - at least not from my<br>
perspective which may obviously be wrong. In my understanding the mentor<br>
is there to help if there are process questions, recommend a way forward<br>
in a tricky situation and to make a pre-check of the status of the<br>
project to be able to recommend graduation.<br>
<br>
<br>
Which is what I tried to achieve with this mail. Did it work?<br>
<br>
<br>
Have fun,<br>
Arnulf<br>
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[0] <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/incubator/2014-April/002389.html" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/<u></u>pipermail/incubator/2014-<u></u>April/002389.html</a><br>
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<a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IstSOS_Incubation_Status#Community_Functioning" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/<u></u>IstSOS_Incubation_Status#<u></u>Community_Functioning</a><br>
[2] <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IstSOS_Provenance_Review" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/<u></u>IstSOS_Provenance_Review</a><br>
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On 24.01.2015 17:58, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:<br>
> Dear incubation committee,<br>
> I'm embarassed in writing this email...<br>
><br>
> but after a very very long waiting I have to complain for the treatment<br>
> the istsos software is receiving.<br>
><br>
> Is the same for all the software or just this project is not considered?<br>
><br>
> Almost one year ago I apply for entering incubation, the committee asks<br>
> me to follow the procedure with form.. Then ticket.. And I fill everything.<br>
><br>
> The committee said we need a mentor, Arnulf volunteered, and the<br>
> committee, I think, voted approving istsos to pass in incubation.<br>
><br>
> Then?.... Nothing... And one year is passed!<br>
><br>
> I think the committee shall make a motion to the board to approve the<br>
> decision, but it never happened.<br>
><br>
> The result? Istsos is not in incubation: not in the website nor in any<br>
> talk I have followed.<br>
><br>
> Why making a motion is so difficult?<br>
><br>
> If this is the treatment for new software approaching our community I<br>
> believe something does not work at all!<br>
><br>
> I know people are volunteer and not paid, but the welcome steps are<br>
> minimal: reading a page, vote, and make a motion.<br>
><br>
> If we get stack here, and after several remainders from my side, this is<br>
> really discouraging.<br>
><br>
> Sorry for this email.<br>
><br>
> Massimiliano<br>
><br>
><br>
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