<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I believe that, historically, Jachym is exactly right: we’ve always meant -0 to be “I don’t like it, but I’m not going to fight about it” :-)<div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 9, 2015, at 2:35 PM, Jachym Cepicky <<a href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com" class="">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><p dir="ltr" class="">If we agree on, -1 means "veto for now, but can be over voted", that opens a lot of interesting possibilities...</p><p dir="ltr" class="">To me -0 would be something like "strongly against proposal, but don't want to slow down the democratic decision"</p><p dir="ltr" class="">J</p>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 9, 2015, 19:18 Massimiliano Cannata <<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" class="">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">Jeff,<br class="">this is embarrassing :-)<div class="">(OSGeo expects their project to have a clear PSC voting procedure but it has not.)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I would then change my vote to -1 (if rules permit this).</div><div class=""><span style="line-height:1.5" class="">Motivation is that there is no rationale for the request: a detailed cost estimate is in my opinion the base for any decision on allocating money for a given purpose.</span><br class=""></div><div class="">Otherwise why one should ask 10k and not 20k or 2k? How these money are going to be spent?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Or can I ask 10k to run an event (hackathon) without providing details of costs?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">TO BE CLEAR, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST STUDENT AWARD, I'm 100% in favor, but I would like to have a formulated request to get money. </div><div class="">That's all.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We could vote again this point to the next meeting, having a clear rationale for this request.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you would stack with my -0 not blocking vote, I still can live with ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Maxi</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">Il giorno Mon Feb 09 2015 at 4:33:11 PM Jeff McKenna <<a href="mailto:jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com" target="_blank" class="">jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com</a>> ha scritto:</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Board, I have recorded the voting procedure on the wiki (wow it had<br class="">
never been done) at <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Voting_Procedure" target="_blank" class="">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/<u class=""></u>Board_Voting_Procedure</a><br class="">
Please verify and make changes directly there. Sorry for this<br class="">
confusion. Thanks,<br class="">
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-jeff<br class="">
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On 2015-02-09 11:17 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote:<br class="">
> Hello Board,<br class="">
><br class="">
> There was some confusion at the last OSGeo Board meeting regarding what<br class="">
> a "-0" vote does for a motion. I tried to explain that a -0 is a slight<br class="">
> disagreement and that the motion would proceed (only a "-1" stops the<br class="">
> process). It was explained to me that a "-0" stops the process, and<br class="">
> explained to me that the MapServer project does not pass a motion with a<br class="">
> "-0" vote.<br class="">
><br class="">
> The voter in this case confirmed that the desired effect was to<br class="">
> "slightly not agree" (see logs[1]).<br class="">
><br class="">
> I have verified that the example used, the MapServer Project Steering<br class="">
> Committee, in fact does *not* stop a motion with a "-0" vote, as<br class="">
> explained from the PSC Guidelines[2] here:<br class="">
><br class="">
> - A vote of -0 indicates mild disagreement, but has no effect. A 0<br class="">
> indicates no opinion. A +0 indicate mild support, but has no effect.<br class="">
><br class="">
> - Respondents may vote “-1” to veto a proposal, but must provide<br class="">
> clear reasoning and alternate approaches to resolving the problem within<br class="">
> the two days.<br class="">
><br class="">
> Therefore, as I explained in the Board meeting, if someone does slightly<br class="">
> disagree with a "-0", the motion will not be affected.<br class="">
><br class="">
> This will apply to the results of this email vote occurring now on the<br class="">
> mailing list.<br class="">
><br class="">
> Sorry for this confusion everyone,<br class="">
><br class="">
> -jeff<br class="">
><br class="">
> [1] <a href="http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeo/%23osgeo.2015-02-05.log" target="_blank" class="">http://irclogs.geoapt.com/<u class=""></u>osgeo/%23osgeo.2015-02-05.log</a><br class="">
> [2] <a href="http://mapserver.org/development/rfc/ms-rfc-23.html#detailed-process" target="_blank" class="">http://mapserver.org/<u class=""></u>development/rfc/ms-rfc-23.<u class=""></u>html#detailed-process</a><br class="">
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