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Hi Petr, OSGeo-Live team, OSGeo Board,<br>
Is our OSGeoLive meeting, we discussed retiring of MapTiler from
OSGeoLive.<br>
CCing OSGeo Board in discussion, in case the board wish to comment.<br>
<br>
Summary:<br>
* MapTiler was Open Source, and was included in prior OSGeo-Live
distributions<br>
* Petr, the author, found the Open Source business model was not
working for him, and has since moved future enhancements to a
proprietary model.<br>
* The "maptiler" brand name now points to a URL of a proprietary
product.<br>
* Petr has requested MapTiler be removed from OSGeo-Live.<br>
* As far as I've noticed, while there has been some disappointment
to loose MapTiler as an Open Source project, we respect Petr's right
to continue development using whatever model works for him. We are
now working out how to cleanly transition.<br>
<br>
Of note:<br>
* We have prior OSGeo-Live releases and documentation which
reference the previous Open Source Maptiler.<br>
* OSGeo-Live wish to retain our reputation of promoting Open Source
products, both now, and in the past.<br>
<br>
Proposal for our imminent OSGeo-Live 8.5 release:<br>
* OSGeoLive will add a statement to our contents page [1] stating:<br>
"Maptiler: not included after OSGeo-Live 8.0, after project moved to
proprietary business model"<br>
* The Maptiler Project Overview [2] will be updated to explain that
MapTiler was Open Source, but future developments were proprietary.
The Overview will reference the last Open Source version of software
available.<br>
* The Maptiler Quickstart will be removed from docs, (but still
available in subversion)<br>
* The maptiler installer will be disabled so MapTiler will not be
distributed on OSGeo-Live.<br>
<br>
If anyone has objections or comments, please raise them within 48
hours (15 Feb 2015) such that we can address them before our
release.<br>
<br>
Most (not all) of the history on this conversation has been copied
below.<br>
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[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/overview.html">http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/overview.html</a><br>
[2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/maptiler_overview.html">http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/maptiler_overview.html</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/02/2015 4:29 am, Angelos Tzotsos
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:54DCE312.7030302@gmail.com" type="cite">Hi
all,
<br>
<br>
I definitely agree here with Howard.
<br>
<br>
Since Maptiler has been included in OSGeoLive for 5 years now, and
Petr has agreed to follow the OSGeoLive license for his
contribution, there has to be some kind of lineage about this
project online. It cannot just disappear. People would think that
OSGeo endorced non-free software in the past, which is not
acceptable in my opinion.
<br>
<br>
We need an "official" public repository including the last version
of the open source code to link to. We should then link to that in
our documents (even if the project is removed). Cameron has
already moved the documents in the "retired" area.
<br>
<br>
I agree that the Maptiler name has to be removed from OSGeoLive in
future versions. But, the request for removal came much after our
official 8.5 code freeze, so I am against removing stuff from 8.5
especially 10 days before release.
<br>
I propose we keep the installer for 8.5 (unless Petr provides a
new deb version with a new name).
<br>
I also propose to remove the Maptiler documents completely for
this release.
<br>
<br>
Then, as Johan suggested we can fork Maptiler as Icetiler for the
next OSGeoLive 9.0 release and restore the docs.
<br>
<br>
Best,
<br>
Angelos
<br>
<br>
PS. I also want to thank Petr for his work on Maptiler, it is much
appreciated.
<br>
<br>
On 02/09/2015 11:46 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi all,
<br>
<br>
First of all I would like to thank Petr for his work on
Maptiler. He
<br>
has actually spent a lot of unpaid time to develop a tool which
is
<br>
useful for many users.
<br>
Earning a living from open-source is hard - as most people who
have
<br>
tried will be able to tell you.
<br>
<br>
Second I would like to point out that a project that has many
users
<br>
and little contributors is not necessarily unsuccessful. If
your tool
<br>
is working well, it may not scratch a developers itch[1].
<br>
<br>
Anyway, it seems that by retiring from OsGeo live you did hit
many
<br>
developers itch, so it seems this may actually be a rebirth of
the
<br>
project.
<br>
<br>
I think that the request of Petr is fair: the code remains free
(which
<br>
it should, because there can be many derived works), but he just
<br>
requests not to use the name and logo. This leaves room for
other
<br>
developers to jump in and create a new version. Yesterday on
IRC, I
<br>
proposed the name "IceTiler" as an alternative, based on the
<br>
rebranding done by debian for many mozilla projects [2]. Other
<br>
suggestions are welcome :-)
<br>
<br>
Taking all into account I'm +1 on removing this project from
OsGeo
<br>
live in the current form, but I think we could have "IceTiler"
in a
<br>
next release if there is sufficient interest.
<br>
<br>
Kind Regards,
<br>
Johan
<br>
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[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar</a>
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[2]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/02/2015 12:09 pm, Jody Garnett
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAOhbgAkZCmprckgB9U-CTrrcara5TvV+imXmpoPpuCZtcKtMBQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Trademarks is one of those issues we tend to handle
off-list with mentor and project leadership (and/or the board
if required).
<div><br>
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<div>In this case the author and trademark owner in one in the
same (and has a fairly clear request).<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My limited understanding is the board will need to care
about trademarks in source code that has been contributed to
OSGe (which is not a requirement of participation). I expect
they will only need to care in the US (since that is where
the organization is based) but that is up to legal council,
IANAL etc...</div>
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</div>
<div>It is relatively common for open source projects to be
renamed due to TM conflict. This is a service a software
foundation can provide, apache has strict management of
trademarks, eclipse does a trademark check prior to
accepting a project into incubation etc... But it is not
clear cut - Debian for example refuses to include firefox as
that name is trademarked (and <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3634591">not
"free" and reusable</a> ), </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 7 February 2015 at 17:03, Even
Rouault <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:even.rouault@spatialys.com" target="_blank">even.rouault@spatialys.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
(adding incubator@ as it is both of interest I think for
OSGeo-Live &<br>
incubator)<br>
<br>
I will not argue about this particular case, but this does
raise an<br>
interesting question about how we should handle trademark
issues (perhaps this<br>
has been discussed in the past, so sorry if I come after the
battle)<br>
<br>
The OSGeo incubation application questionnaire<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/application.html"
target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/application.html</a>
mentions:<br>
"Is the code free of patents, trademarks, and do you control
the copyright? "<br>
<br>
It does not address clearly the issue of trademark of the
*name of the<br>
project* (it mentions just the *code*).<br>
I'm not sure if there should be a policy regarding ownership
of the trademark<br>
of the name of a project, but at least it could be asked if
there's a<br>
trademark on the name, and who owns it (and in which
countries...) ? As the<br>
below example shows, this can have impact on the future of
the project. But<br>
this is likely complex.<br>
- What if someone from a random country comes and says "eh
this project<br>
conflicts with my trademark in Foobarland" ? Which countries
should OSGeo care<br>
about ? Or perhaps this is too complex and the only real
answer to those<br>
questions is when you are assigned to a court ;-)<br>
- And even if the trademark is owned by someone/an entity
which is strongly<br>
related to the project, things can evolve over time. So
shouldn't the<br>
trademark be transfered to OSGeo control to guarantee
fairness of use ? But<br>
that would mean that OSGeo would have to pay the costs of
registration.<br>
<br>
For the record, I did the exercice of quick searching which
OSGeo projects are<br>
trademarked in France ( <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://bases-marques.inpi.fr/" target="_blank">http://bases-marques.inpi.fr/</a>
) and it *seems* (only a<br>
search by a specialist in I.P would confirm it) that only
QGIS and GeoMajas are<br>
(and both have E.U. wide validity). (There are unrelated
matches for Geotools,<br>
Marble and OSSIM). OSGeo itself isn't trademarked. And
apparently MapTiler<br>
neither.<br>
<br>
In the incubating projects, gvSIG is trademarked (E.U wide).
Unrelated matches<br>
for "the zoo project" and OTB. Rasdaman is registered in
Germany.<br>
<br>
Even<br>
<br>
<br>
> Hi everybody,<br>
><br>
> Let me clarify the situation:<br>
><br>
> - The original MapTiler (python + wxWidgets) is
discontinued and<br>
> unfortunately it failed as an open-source project in my
eyes. The software<br>
> attracted quite a lot of end users, but no 3rd party
developers. There was<br>
> not a single commit from any third-party ever to the
MapTiler project code<br>
> itself, probably because the graphical utility was used
mostly by<br>
> non-programmers. The otherwise great project stalled
for some time. I have<br>
> not seen how to move it forward without any financial
support, while not<br>
> being a student anymore - and it made me really sad.<br>
><br>
> - Since 2011, I work with my team on a completely new
implementation of an<br>
> efficient tiling utility, the new MapTiler usable both
from the<br>
> command-line as well as from the graphical user
interface, written in C++<br>
> and QT. It is significantly faster, merges multiple
files in different srs,<br>
> handles correctly dateline crossing and world maps,
tiles in non-mercator<br>
> grids, it directly produces small and optimized jpg and
pngs, it is<br>
> compatible with OGC WMTS, contains uploader to Amazon
S3 and Google Cloud<br>
> Storage, supports different layers on different zoom
levels (see<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://goo.gl/TCrGtQ"
target="_blank">http://goo.gl/TCrGtQ</a> and other
tutorials), and it comes with many other new<br>
> features, with installers, regular updates, support and
maintenance. It<br>
> runs on Win/Lin/Mac - see <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.maptiler.com/" target="_blank">http://www.maptiler.com/</a>
for more information.<br>
> With my colleagues we are trying to do our job as good
as we can.<br>
> It is a complete rewrite of the original utility,
fixing design flaws and<br>
> implementation issues of both GDAL2Tiles and original
MapTiler. To be able<br>
> to support the utility and to work on new features we
ask for a license<br>
> fee.<br>
><br>
> - There was no financial support from Google Summer of
Code nor from OSGeo<br>
> on the original MapTiler.<br>
><br>
> - Both my Google SoC in 2007 and 2008 were on the
GDAL2TIles command-line<br>
> utility, lead by Howard.<br>
> My original GDAL2Tiles from 2007 is available at<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.klokan.cz/projects/gdal2tiles/"
target="_blank">http://www.klokan.cz/projects/gdal2tiles/</a>
and the version from 2008 is<br>
> distributed together with GDAL library, with patches
and some fixes, mostly<br>
> from Evan.<br>
> As Even pointed out - I started to work on the MapTiler
during August 2008,<br>
> after the second SoC. BRGM mentioned in the code of
GDAL2Tiles.py supported<br>
> improvements of GDAL2Tiles, not MapTiler project.<br>
><br>
> - As the sole author of MapTiler and the owner of the
MapTiler trademark I<br>
> would like to request complete removal of the MapTiler
from the OSGeo<br>
> LiveDVD. I have prepared the existing .deb package as
well as supplied the<br>
> quickstart and installation scripts to the svn about 5
years back.<br>
><br>
> - If anybody is interested to revive my original
open-source project<br>
> published under an open-source license, he is welcomed
to do that - under<br>
> the conditions of the original license, while
preserving the original<br>
> copyright notice, and under the condition his fork of
the project is not<br>
> anymore called MapTiler and does not use original
graphical elements and<br>
> desktop icon of the original application.<br>
><br>
> - The existence of the two projects of the same name is
confusing the<br>
> people and I want to avoid it. I hope you respect my
decision. The old<br>
> MapTiler is dead, long live the MapTiler! ;-)<br>
><br>
> - I continue to work on several other open-source
projects and with my team<br>
> I keep developing, contributing and improving on
OL3Cesium, OpenLayers V3,<br>
> WebGL Earth, EPSG.io, IIPImage, GDAL and other
projects. See our github and<br>
> blog for details: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.klokantech.com/" target="_blank">http://www.klokantech.com/</a>.<br>
> Open-source is indeed very powerful and viable on
components and I can't<br>
> imagine to live without it. Still, there are
situations, where it is simply<br>
> not applicable.<br>
><br>
> I am proud to be part of OSGeo and I am keen to
continue to contribute to<br>
> the community in future. I admire and honor people like
Frank or Evan and<br>
> others. You have my true respect for what you do and
what you have<br>
> achieved!<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
><br>
> Petr Pridal, Ph.D.<br>
> Klokan Technologies GmbH<br>
><br>
> P.S.<br>
> If anybody is interested in even more background of the
evolution of<br>
> MapTiler you can read:<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://groups.google.com/d/msg/maptiler/r9Xa8S_S4Z8/7pJoqKR1MM0J"
target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/msg/maptiler/r9Xa8S_S4Z8/7pJoqKR1MM0J</a><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Cameron Shorter <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>><br>
><br>
> wrote:<br>
> > I've had a request from the MapTiler project to
have it removed from<br>
> > OSGeo-Live.<br>
> ><br>
> > I've raised a ticket:<br>
> > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1467"
target="_blank">https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1467</a><br>
> ><br>
> > I'll look after updating the docs.<br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Cameron Shorter,<br>
> > Software and Data Solutions Manager<br>
> > LISAsoft<br>
> > Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,<br>
> > 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009<br>
> ><br>
> > P <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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2 9009 5000</a>, W <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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F <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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2 9009 5099</a><br>
> ><br>
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