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Jeff, board,<br>
I hear that there is no desire from yourselves to send another
(official) email to OGC/Esri about the Open LIDAR letter.<br>
<br>
One outstanding question remains, which I possibly didn't make clear
enough in the last email. Who will notify ASPRS (whom the letter was
also written to)? Is that something that the board or OSGeo
President wishes to send? Or would you prefer it delivered by a
member of the OSGeo community?<br>
Could you please respond in a timely manner, as I feel it is the
right thing to do by both ASPRS and the OSGeo community to deliver
this message soon.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Cameron<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/05/2015 9:42 am, Cameron Shorter
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CABqeU+gTgQYfv+WtBpP43G6DqSJ5QUZ+EKwf93E4dz9rwMaMPg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Hi Jeff,
<div>The hope in writing the open letter was that it would carry
as much weight as possible, in order to demonstrate the
importance that we as an OSGeo Foundation feel about Open
Standards.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Having 130+ signatures from prominent community members
adds weight, thanks to all who signed. Having a cover letter
from the board adds weight, thank you board. Having a well
researched set of facts adds weight, thanks Martin. Having the
story published widely adds weight, thanks to the media to ran
the story and the people to took the story to the media.
Having the letter officially delivered from the OSGeo
President adds weight, I'm hoping we can achieve that too.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This was the reason for the original request sent to the
board on 16 April, which was voted on and passed by the board.
(See the email thread for history).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes, some people within Esri are aware of an earlier
version of this letter, as are the OGC. I'm not aware if ASPRS
have been notified.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So yes, a great job has been done so far. I'm asking that
we continue in that vein, which would involve officially
sending the letter to the key stakeholders.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind regards, Cameron Shorter</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Jeff
McKenna <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com"
target="_blank">jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi
Cameron, Suchith, Martin, all,<br>
<br>
Everyone is contacting me offlist about the next steps for
the Open Lidar letter, I am aware of that. I would ask that
you discuss this here on the OSGeo Board list, so the whole
Board can help you along. If I am correct, I believe the
status is:<br>
<br>
- OSGeo Board voted and supported adding a cover letter
(done and added to letter wiki page)<br>
- Esri responded<br>
- OGC responded, and they will be responding to this to us
in a few weeks and discussing it at their next TC meeting
(Scott Simmons, the Executive Director of the OGC's
Standards Program, also contacted me directly and I will be
discussing this with home in the next few weeks over the
phone)<br>
- the story has made wide media coverage<br>
<br>
I really believe we've done a great job pushing this (we
being Martin, Cameron, Suchith, everyone involved in the
letter) and good things have come out of it, and, that the
OSGeo Board has done its duties regarding this process.<br>
<br>
Do others disagree? By the number of pings that I am
getting offline of trying to get me to send this letter it
seems others want more action. So, please speak up here.<br>
<br>
As you already know (from now years of seeing me in this
position), I don't send official e-mails on behalf of the
entire OSGeo foundation because of some offlist pings; I
request that we discuss next steps (if any?) for the Board,
or that you made a request to the OSGeo Board for next
steps, and we can discuss openly.<span class="HOEnZb"><font
color="#888888"><br>
<br>
-jeff</font></span>
<div class="HOEnZb">
<div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2015-04-28 5:56 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi Jeff,<br>
Thanks for adding the cover letter to the LiDAR Open
Letter.<br>
<br>
The second part of this motion was for the OSGeo
President to email the<br>
letter to the OGC, ESRI and ASPRS. (Suggested email
addresses are toward<br>
the bottom of this email thread).<br>
<br>
Would you mind CCing a public archived email list
(probably the board<br>
list) so that we have an official record of the Open
Letter being<br>
delivered. (Alternatively, you can forward, or notify
the list instead).<br>
<br>
Hopefully any response you receive will also be sent
to the public list.<br>
If not, can you please ask if you can share the
response publicly.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Cameron<br>
<br>
On 25/04/2015 10:55 pm, Jeff McKenna wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I've added the cover letter text to the main page.<br>
<br>
-jeff<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2015-04-23 7:19 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Well written Jeff,<br>
<br>
Once you are comfortable with the wording, I
suggest either:<br>
1. Copy the cover letter text into<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter"
target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter</a>
(preferred)<br>
2. Or reference the cover letter wiki from the
LiDAR Format Letter<br>
<br>
On 23/04/2015 11:11 pm, Jeff McKenna wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
Thanks Maxi.<br>
<br>
A first draft of the Board cover letter is at<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter_Board_Cover"
target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter_Board_Cover</a>
It would be<br>
good for all Board members to take a look and
edit that page if need<br>
be.<br>
<br>
-jeff<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2015-04-23 9:33 AM, Massimiliano Cannata
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
Dear All,<br>
With 6 votes +1 and 3 votes +0 I declare the
motion to support the<br>
letter on LiDAR open standard passed.<br>
<br>
The board will draft a support letter.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Maxi<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
2015-04-23 12:01 GMT+02:00 Jachym Cepicky <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com"
target="_blank">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a><br>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com"
target="_blank">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>>>:<br>
<br>
+0<br>
<br>
With comment: -1 for the tone, +1 for the
"idea" of the letter<br>
<br>
Requesting and pointing at "one evil" does
not bring solutions,<br>
only<br>
builds walls. Therefore also not signing
the letter as private<br>
person. If someone else takes the power, I
can only say: that this<br>
is not my way.<br>
<br>
Sorry for the delay<br>
<br>
Jachym<br>
<br>
čt 23. 4. 2015 v 7:15 odesílatel
Massimiliano Cannata<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch"
target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a><br>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch"
target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>>>
napsal:<br>
<br>
My vote is +0,<br>
I support the idea but not the tone of
the letter.<br>
<br>
Maxi<br>
<br>
<br>
Il giorno gio 23 apr 2015 01:13 AM
Cameron Shorter<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>><br>
ha scritto:<br>
<br>
I think all board members have now
voted? Thankyou for<br>
your<br>
support.<br>
Massimo, as you raised this
motion, do you wish to declare<br>
its result?<br>
<br>
Next actions:<br>
* Declare result of motion
(Massimo)<br>
* Update the Open Letter wiki with
cover letter. There is<br>
proposed text<br>
below. I'm happy to do this,
unless someone else does it<br>
first.<br>
* Send the Open Letter to key
stakeholders (emails below).<br>
Jeff, do you<br>
wish to do that? Would you like
any help?<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Cameron<br>
<br>
On 23/04/2015 1:44 am, Vasile
Craciunescu wrote:<br>
> +1<br>
><br>
> I totally agree with Jorge.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
> Vasile<br>
><br>
> On 4/22/15 8:27 AM,
Massimiliano Cannata wrote:<br>
>> I do not enter in detail
of your debate about media. I<br>
can just say that<br>
>> the board is slow
because there is discussion on the<br>
form of the letter<br>
>> you prepared.<br>
>><br>
>> At this point I
officially make the motion to vote on<br>
beard official<br>
>> support of the letter on
lidar standard as it is<br>
>> athttp://<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter"
target="_blank">wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter</a><br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter"
target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter</a>><br>
>> <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter"
target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter</a>><br>
>><br>
>> Maxi<br>
>><br>
>> Hello Jeff and the OSGeo
Board,<br>
>><br>
>> Our next step is to
deliver the Open Letter, as<br>
suggested earlier in<br>
>> this thread. (see below)<br>
>><br>
>> We are waiting on an
answer from the earlier proposal<br>
for the OSGeo<br>
>> Board to present this
Open Letter. Is another 48 hours<br>
enough time to<br>
>> respond?<br>
>><br>
>> The alternative is that
some one else from the OSGeo<br>
community delivers<br>
>> this letter.<br>
>><br>
>>> On 16/04/2015 9:52
pm, Cameron Shorter wrote:<br>
>>>> Hi OSGeo Board,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I request the
board support an OSGeo Community<br>
developed Open Letter<br>
>>>> aimed at
protecting open LiDAR standards.<br>
>>>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter"
target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Proposal 1: The
OSGeo Board agree to include the<br>
following statement<br>
>>>> (or similar
wording) into the letter:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> = Cover Letter
from the OSGeo Board =<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The board of the
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://osgeo.org" target="_blank">http://osgeo.org</a>
Open Source<br>
Geospatial Foundation]<br>
>>>> (OSGeo) is
presenting this letter to the OGC,<br>
ESRI and<br>
ASPRS. The<br>
>>>> letter
highlights concerns about fragmentation in<br>
LiDAR standards<br>
>>>> from many people
within the OSGeo community. As<br>
always, if there is<br>
>>>> anything the
OSGeo board can do to help, then please<br>
let us know.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Signed:
<OSGeo Board Members><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Proposal 2:<br>
>>>> Once the letter
has completed the signature<br>
phase, the<br>
letter be<br>
>>>> emailed from the
OSGeo President to key people<br>
within<br>
these<br>
>>>> organisations:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Mark Reichardt
<mreichardt AT <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://opengeospatial.org"
target="_blank">opengeospatial.org</a><br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://opengeospatial.org"
target="_blank">http://opengeospatial.org</a>><br>
>>>> <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://opengeospatial.org"
target="_blank">http://opengeospatial.org</a>>>,
OSGeo President<br>
>>>> David Danko
<DDanko AT <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://esri.com" target="_blank">esri.com</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://esri.com" target="_blank">http://esri.com</a>><br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://esri.com" target="_blank">http://esri.com</a>>>,
ESRI's Senior<br>
>>>> Consultant for
GIS Standards<br>
>>>> Stephen D.
DeGloria < sdd4 AT <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cornell.edu" target="_blank">cornell.edu</a><br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cornell.edu" target="_blank">http://cornell.edu</a>>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cornell.edu" target="_blank">http://cornell.edu</a>>>,<br>
>>>> President of the
ASPRS<br>
>> --<br>
>> Cameron Shorter,<br>
>> Software and Data
Solutions Manager<br>
>> LISAsoft<br>
>> Suite 112, Jones Bay
Wharf,<br>
>> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd,
Pyrmont NSW 2009<br>
>><br>
>> P <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B61%202%209009%205000"
value="+61290095000" target="_blank">+61 2
9009 5000</a>, W <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lisasoft.com"
target="_blank">www.lisasoft.com</a><br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lisasoft.com"
target="_blank">http://www.lisasoft.com</a>>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lisasoft.com"
target="_blank">http://www.lisasoft.com</a>>,
F<br>
+61<br>
>> 2 9009 5099<br>
>><br>
>>
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>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Board@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank">Board@lists.osgeo.org</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Board@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank">Board@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
<mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Board@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank">Board@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Board@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank">Board@lists.osgeo.org</a>>><br>
>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board"
target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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>> Board mailing list<br>
>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Board@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank">Board@lists.osgeo.org</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Board@lists.osgeo.org"
target="_blank">Board@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board"
target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board</a><br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
<br>
--<br>
Cameron Shorter,<br>
Software and Data Solutions
Manager<br>
LISAsoft<br>
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,<br>
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW
2009<br>
<br>
P <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B61%202%209009%205000"
value="+61290095000" target="_blank">+61 2
9009 5000</a>, W <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lisasoft.com"
target="_blank">www.lisasoft.com</a><br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lisasoft.com"
target="_blank">http://www.lisasoft.com</a>>,
F <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B61%202%209009%205099"
value="+61290095099" target="_blank">+61 2
9009 5099</a><br>
<br>
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--<br>
*Massimiliano Cannata*<br>
<br>
Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica<br>
<br>
Responsabile settore Geomatica<br>
<br>
<br>
Istituto scienze della Terra<br>
<br>
Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design<br>
<br>
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Svizzera italiana<br>
<br>
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<br>
Tel. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B41%20%280%2958%20666%2062%2014"
value="+41586666214" target="_blank">+41
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<br>
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href="tel:%2B41%20%280%2958%20666%2062%2009"
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<div>-- </div>
<div>Cameron Shorter,</div>
<div>Software and Data Solutions Manager</div>
<div>LISAsoft</div>
<div>Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,</div>
<div>26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>P +61 2 9009 5000, W <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lisasoft.com" target="_blank">www.lisasoft.com</a>,
F +61 2 9009 5099</div>
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Cameron Shorter,
Software and Data Solutions Manager
LISAsoft
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
P +61 2 9009 5000, W <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.lisasoft.com">www.lisasoft.com</a>, F +61 2 9009 5099</pre>
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