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I'm not questioning board members being re-reimbursed for expenses
incurred while carrying out board duties.<br>
Rather, I'm questioning whether board members should be asked to
carry out such duties in the first place.<br>
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It comes back to the question of whether we want OSGeo to be a high
capital or low capital organisation.<br>
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In a low capital organisation, expenses are kept to a minimum. This
can be achieved by:<br>
1. Using a local OSGeo Advocate to present OSGeo messages instead of
paying for a board member or president to fly half way around the
world to give the same presentation.<br>
2. Make use of skype, email, hangouts, IRC etc for communication
instead of face-to-face meetings.<br>
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This means that OSGeo doesn't need to earn money, which is very
liberating.<br>
It means there is less pressure on FOSS4G to make a profit (to
sustain OSGeo), which in turn allows FOSS4G events to be cheaper and
more assessable.<br>
It allows money to be applied to other outreach activities instead.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/11/2015 10:05 am, Jody Garnett
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<div dir="ltr">While I was happy to vote for covering travel costs
- I did not expect to use them myself as I will be attending the
event.
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<div>The general theme (and the reason for me voting +1) is that
if we are expecting an OSGeo member to operate in an official
capacity on behalf of the foundation I would like OSGeo be in
position to reimburse the individual for additional costs
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<div>I believe this is consistent with covering Jeff's cost to
attend the upcoming Moscow event (we are asking Jeff to
represent the foundation in an official capacity).</div>
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<div>This is nothing specific about Jeff or his role as our
president - instead it is the boards request to have a
representative in an official capacity present at the event. I
feel a board member or charter member may be able to fulfill
that role.</div>
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<div>I expect this (and any future board) to keep the current
budget in mind and balance the need for members to act in an
official capacity in mind when planing or approving such
activities.</div>
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<div>To bring this back to the current example of foss4g 2016
bonn:</div>
<div>* If I am asked to attend a face to face meeting, I may
ask that an addition day of accommodation be covered, since
I am otherwise attending that event.</div>
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<div>* It may not make sense to schedule a face to face meeting
(depending on board priorities and budget looks like)</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 17 November 2015 at 00:41,
Massimiliano Cannata <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div dir="ltr">Dear All,
<div>I was responsible for the motion after the above
cited discussions. </div>
<div>My motivation was a bit provocative (and I expected
some discussion that didn't happen at all with my great
disappointment) but at the same time I wanted to give
equity: or everybody can be reimbursed or nobody, this
is my point.</div>
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<div>I'm fine with both options but not with a gray zone
where someone get reimbursed and/or free conference
admission and someone not.</div>
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<div>I agree, at this point this is a question for the
charter members.</div>
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<div>Maxi</div>
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Jeroen Ticheler <span dir="ltr"><<a
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Cameron, dear board<br>
I agree with Cameron's observation on this. It
would be good to refine the motion and be explicit
on what is and what is not funded by OSGeo. And if
there is a substantial budget involved (>4000$
per year including conference fee discounts etc) I
think this needs broader support from the
community, possibly by asking charter members for
their vote of support.<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jeroen<br>
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> Op 16 nov. 2015 om 20:07 heeft Cameron
Shorter <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>> On 17/11/2015 3:58 am, Sanghee Shin
wrote:<br>
>> 2. MOTION: OSGeo to pay for travel
and arrangements at FOSS4G Bonn for all board
members if a F2F board meeting is planned for
there<br>
><br>
> OSGeo Board,<br>
> Is this the second f2f meeting within a
year that the OSGeo board is proposing to be
paid to attend?<br>
> Also is this the first OSGeo Board who
would be all sponsored to attend a FOSS4G
event?<br>
><br>
> I'm concerned that this is a deviation
from prior OSGeo principles, and looks
externally to be self-serving.<br>
> I suspect that travel costs would become
a reasonable percentage of OSGeo's budget
should regular board travel be approved.<br>
> As such, I suggest it should be a line
item in the OSGeo Vision as well as in the
OSGeo budget. (I assume the current budget's
travel allowance isn't sufficient to cover 2
board international trips?)<br>
><br>
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