As per my email, I would expect the request only to be made if budget allowed. I expect OSGeo to neither be a low capital or high capital organization but responsible.<br><br>So with respect the answer to your question is based on contracting sponsors. I would much rather OSGeo set up a sponsorship program allowing FOSS4G prices to be lowered.<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 3:34 AM Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
    I'm not questioning board members being re-reimbursed for expenses
    incurred while carrying out board duties.<br>
    Rather, I'm questioning whether board members should be asked to
    carry out such duties in the first place.<br>
    <br>
    It comes back to the question of whether we want OSGeo to be a high
    capital or low capital organisation.<br>
    <br>
    In a low capital organisation, expenses are kept to a minimum. This
    can be achieved by:<br>
    1. Using a local OSGeo Advocate to present OSGeo messages instead of
    paying for a board member or president to fly half way around the
    world to give the same presentation.<br>
    2. Make use of skype, email, hangouts, IRC etc for communication
    instead of face-to-face meetings.<br>
    <br>
    This means that OSGeo doesn't need to earn money, which is very
    liberating.<br>
    It means there is less pressure on FOSS4G to make a profit (to
    sustain OSGeo), which in turn allows FOSS4G events to be cheaper and
    more assessable.<br>
    It allows money to be applied to other outreach activities instead.</div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 18/11/2015 10:05 am, Jody Garnett
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">While I was happy to vote for covering travel costs
        - I did not expect to use them myself as I will be attending the
        event.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>The general theme (and the reason for me voting +1) is that
          if we are expecting an OSGeo member to operate in an official
          capacity on behalf of the foundation I would like OSGeo be in
          position to reimburse the individual for additional costs
          incurred. </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I believe this is consistent with covering Jeff's cost to
          attend the upcoming Moscow event (we are asking Jeff to
          represent the foundation in an official capacity).</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>This is nothing specific about Jeff or his role as our
          president - instead it is the boards request to have a
          representative in an official capacity present at the event. I
          feel a board member or charter member may be able to fulfill
          that role.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I expect this (and any future board) to keep the current
          budget in mind and balance the need for members to act in an
          official capacity in mind when planing or approving such
          activities.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>
          <div>To bring this back to the current example of foss4g 2016
            bonn:</div>
          <div>* If I am asked to attend a face to face meeting, I may
            ask that an addition day of accommodation be covered, since
            I am otherwise attending that event.</div>
        </div>
        <div>* It may not make sense to schedule a face to face meeting
          (depending on board priorities and budget looks like)</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div> </div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
        <div>
          <div>
            <div dir="ltr">
              <div>
                <div dir="ltr">
                  <div>--</div>
                  <div>Jody Garnett</div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On 17 November 2015 at 00:41,
          Massimiliano Cannata <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a></a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="ltr">Dear All,
              <div>I was responsible for the motion after the above
                cited discussions. </div>
              <div>My motivation was a bit provocative (and I expected
                some discussion that didn't happen at all with my great
                disappointment) but at the same time I wanted to give
                equity: or everybody can be reimbursed or nobody, this
                is my point.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>I'm fine with both options but not with a gray zone
                where someone get reimbursed and/or free conference
                admission and someone not.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>I agree, at this point this is a question for the
                charter members.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Maxi</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_extra">
              <div>
                <div><br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">2015-11-17 7:32 GMT+01:00
                    Jeroen Ticheler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net" target="_blank">jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net</a></a>></span>:<br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear
                      Cameron, dear board<br>
                      I agree with Cameron's observation on this. It
                      would be good to refine the motion and be explicit
                      on what is and what is not funded by OSGeo. And if
                      there is a substantial budget involved (>4000$
                      per year including conference fee discounts etc) I
                      think this needs broader support from the
                      community, possibly by asking charter members for
                      their vote of support.<br>
                      Cheers,<br>
                      Jeroen<br>
                      <div>
                        <div><br>
                          > Op 16 nov. 2015 om 20:07 heeft Cameron
                          Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
                          het volgende geschreven:<br>
                          ><br>
                          ><br>
                          ><br>
                          >> On 17/11/2015 3:58 am, Sanghee Shin
                          wrote:<br>
                          >> 2. MOTION: OSGeo to pay for travel
                          and arrangements at FOSS4G Bonn for all board
                          members if a F2F board meeting is planned for
                          there<br>
                          ><br>
                          > OSGeo Board,<br>
                          > Is this the second f2f meeting within a
                          year that the OSGeo board is proposing to be
                          paid to attend?<br>
                          > Also is this the first OSGeo Board who
                          would be all sponsored to attend a FOSS4G
                          event?<br>
                          ><br>
                          > I'm concerned that this is a deviation
                          from prior OSGeo principles, and looks
                          externally to be self-serving.<br>
                          > I suspect that travel costs would become
                          a reasonable percentage of OSGeo's budget
                          should regular board travel be approved.<br>
                          > As such, I suggest it should be a line
                          item in the OSGeo Vision as well as in the
                          OSGeo budget. (I assume the current budget's
                          travel allowance isn't sufficient to cover 2
                          board international trips?)<br>
                          ><br>
                          > --<br>
                          > Cameron Shorter,<br>
                          > Software and Data Solutions Manager<br>
                          > LISAsoft<br>
                          > Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,<br>
                          > 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009<br>
                          ><br>
                          > P <a href="tel:%2B61%202%209009%205000" value="+61290095000" target="_blank">+61 2
                            9009 5000</a>,  W <a href="http://www.lisasoft.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.lisasoft.com</a>, 
                          F <a href="tel:%2B61%202%209009%205099" value="+61290095099" target="_blank">+61 2
                            9009 5099</a><br>
                          ><br>
                          >
                          _______________________________________________<br>
                          > Board mailing list<br>
                          > <a href="mailto:Board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Board@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                          > <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board</a><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                          Board mailing list<br>
                          <a href="mailto:Board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Board@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                          <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board</a></div>
                      </div>
                    </blockquote>
                  </div>
                  <br>
                  <br clear="all">
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              -- <br>
              <div>
                <div dir="ltr"><b style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px">Massimiliano
                    Cannata</b><br>
                  <p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:gray;font-size:9pt">Professore SUPSI
                      in ingegneria Geomatica</span></p>
                  <p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:gray;font-size:9pt">Responsabile
                      settore Geomatica</span></p>
                  <p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:gray;font-size:9pt"><br>
                    </span></p>
                  <p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:gray;font-size:9pt">Istituto scienze
                      della Terra</span></p>
                  <p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:gray" lang="IT">Dipartimento
                      ambiente costruzione e design</span></p>
                  <p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:small;margin:0px"><span style="font-size:12px" lang="IT"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#808080">Scuola
                        universitaria professionale della Svizzera
                        italiana</font></span></p>
                  <p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:small;margin:0px"><span style="color:gray;font-size:9pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Campus
                      Trevano, </span><span style="color:gray;font-size:9pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif">CH
                      - 6952 Canobbio</span></p>
                  <p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:gray" lang="IT">Tel. <a href="tel:%2B41%20%280%2958%20666%2062%2014" value="+41586666214" target="_blank">+41 (0)58
                        666 62 14</a></span></p>
                  <p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:gray" lang="EN-US">Fax
                      <a href="tel:%2B41%20%280%2958%20666%2062%2009" value="+41586666209" target="_blank">+41 (0)58
                        666 62 09</a></span></p>
                  <p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-size:9pt" lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a></a></span></p>
                  <p style="margin:0px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><u><span style="font-size:9pt;color:blue" lang="EN-US"><span style="color:blue"><a href="http://www.supsi.ch/ist" target="_blank">www.supsi.ch/ist</a></span></span></u></p>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
            <br>
            _______________________________________________<br>
            Board mailing list<br>
            <a href="mailto:Board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Board@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
            <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board</a><br>
          </blockquote>
        </div>
        <br>
      </div>
      <br>
      <fieldset></fieldset>
      <br>
      <pre>_______________________________________________
Board mailing list
<a href="mailto:Board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Board@lists.osgeo.org</a>
<a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board</a></pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <pre cols="72">-- 
Cameron Shorter,
Software and Data Solutions Manager
LISAsoft
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009

P +61 2 9009 5000,  W <a href="http://www.lisasoft.com" target="_blank">www.lisasoft.com</a>,  F +61 2 9009 5099</pre>
  </div>

_______________________________________________<br>
Board mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Board@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board</a></blockquote></div><div dir="ltr">-- <br></div><div dir="ltr">--<div>Jody Garnett</div></div>