<div dir="ltr">I will add this as an example to the wiki page.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>--</div><div>Jody Garnett</div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 26 November 2015 at 10:30, Venkatesh Raghavan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp" target="_blank">raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 2015/11/27 3:04, Phillip Davis wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Open source tools, like NASA WorldWind, are not supported nor developed by OSGeo, but clearly come under the banner of G4A.<br>
</blockquote>
I think that is the same as what I have said. Also, "NASA OPEN SOURCE AGREEMENT VERSION 1.3"<br>
under which WorldWind is released is compatible with OSI-certified open source license [1].<br>
Would be great if it could be included as a part of the OSGeo-Live package.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
Venka<br>
<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="https://opensource.org/licenses/NASA-1.3" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://opensource.org/licenses/NASA-1.3</a><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
________________________________________<br>
From: GeoForAll-ab [<a href="mailto:geoforall-ab-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">geoforall-ab-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] On Behalf Of Venkatesh Raghavan [<a href="mailto:raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp" target="_blank">raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp</a>]<br>
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 12:02 PM<br>
To: OSGeo Board; <a href="mailto:geoforall-ab@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">geoforall-ab@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: geo4all relationship<div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
Dear All,<br>
<br>
I am traveling now and haven't had time to go through all the mails in<br>
this thread. Maybe what I say below could be a bit off-topic.<br>
<br>
OSGeo as a foundation has been inclusive and diverse. This is evident<br>
from the presentations at our FOSS4G events of contents the our OSGeo-Live<br>
which include several software projects that are not OSGeo projects.<br>
I think Geo4All takes up a similar position as our FOSS4G events<br>
and OSGeo-Live to include projects that are not a part of OSGeo.<br>
<br>
I have noticed some comments to the effect that OSGeo seems to about<br>
OSGeo "products"<br>
and I do not think that is true (as evident from our FOSS4G events and<br>
OSGeo LIve<br>
package).<br>
<br>
There has also been some talk about where do we draw a line on what we<br>
can include under<br>
the umbrella of Geo4All. I believe that Geo4All is an initiative to<br>
promote Free and Open Source<br>
Geospatial Software. So any geospatial software that requires a<br>
proprietary software or<br>
library to be installed before it can be executed can neither be a part<br>
of OSGeo nor Geo4All.<br>
Also, any software that is not made available under a valid Open Source<br>
License can neither<br>
be a part of OSGeo nor Geo4All, I think.<br>
<br>
Geo4All as an integral part of OSGeo (Scenario 1 and 1B) or OSGeo being<br>
one of the "partners"<br>
of OSGeo is something that the Geo4All advisory board has to decide.<br>
<br>
OSGeo as a foundation, has a priority of supporting/promoting software<br>
that are its integral part.<br>
OSGeo has no issues with other open source software "products" being a<br>
part of events and<br>
initiatives supported/fostered by OSGeo.<br>
<br>
I would also like to mention that OSGeo student awards that were<br>
presented at FOSS4G-2015 are<br>
for innovative use of OSGeo "products" and as a foundation it is one of<br>
ways to promote wider<br>
use of OSGeo "products".<br>
<br>
Does ICA or ISPRS have some in-house projects or initiatives that need<br>
to be included as a part of<br>
Geo4All initiative? Or is there some compelling reason why Geo4All needs<br>
to be an independent<br>
initiatives despite fact that the "partners" have concluded an MoU to be<br>
"equal" partners in<br>
promoting Free and Open Software, Data, Standards for Geospatial Education?<br>
<br>
As I have mentioned before, Scenario 1 reflects what is presently shown<br>
in the OSGeo and Geo4All<br>
websites. Scenario 1B is a variant and only does away with the OSGeo Edu<br>
Committee. And my preference would be for either 1 or 1B over Scenario 2.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
Venka<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship</a><br>
<br>
On 2015/11/27 0:05, Sanghee Shin wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+1<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
2015. 11. 26., 오후 8:36, Arnulf Christl <<a href="mailto:arnulf.christl@metaspatial.net" target="_blank">arnulf.christl@metaspatial.net</a>> 작성:<br>
<br>
Dear OSGeo Board,<br>
if OSGeo does not manage to reactivate/reinvigorate the Education<br>
Committee, then we will not have one. OSGeo is a do-ocracy, right? This<br>
is how OSGeo functions. Forcing something in place just because will<br>
probably not work.<br>
<br>
In my opinion we should let Geo4All go where it wants to go, otherwise<br>
chances are high we restrict it's potential. At the same time I am<br>
absolutely sure that Geo4All will continue to focus on good, solid Open<br>
Source software as we promote it through OSGeo. If Geo4All were<br>
something that emerged "outside" of OSGeo then I would absolutely push<br>
for joining and supporting the initiative. Does this make any sense?<br>
<br>
<br>
Geo4All Advisory Board,<br>
I would like to keep the close bounds to OSGeo - simply because it is<br>
the Open Source compass for geospatial Open Source and therefore the<br>
natural place to go to for selecting best practice technology for<br>
education.<br>
<br>
Wrt. to the lab name "Geo4All Partners" sounds like a good middle path.<br>
I would refrain from externalizing Geo4All as a separate legal entity.<br>
This will only eat up resources and divert energy from what we want to<br>
achieve. Maybe at a later stage (and with too much funding coming in)<br>
this may make sense, right now I do not really see the need (or funding<br>
or volunteers).<br>
<br>
Having responsible and thoroughly "Open Source" educated people act as<br>
OSGeo liaison officer totally makes sense (as suggested Venka, Helena).<br>
<br>
Which option does this best map to? Not sure, seems like 2 would make<br>
more sense? I do believe that option 1 and 1b look like OSGeo is trying<br>
to "grab a hold of" Geo4All. Instead I would like to see us "let go of<br>
it" and at the same time have the confidence that it will always stick<br>
with OSGeo's mission, because there is solid involvement from OSGeo<br>
folks and simply because our Open Source software is the core asset for<br>
the labs.<br>
<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Arnulf<br>
<br>
On 18.11.2015 08:01, Suchith Anand wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Thanks Jeff, Charlie, Venka, Jeroen for your inputs and ideas. I am sure<br>
with the combined wisdom of everyone , we will find the best solution.<br>
As Charlie said we can keep promoting OSGeo and all OSGeo official<br>
projects and keep partnership with educational (and research) efforts<br>
with other open projects (who might one day join OSGeo). We need to keep<br>
doors of collaborations open as it is key for growth.<br>
<br>
Building Bridges (the theme of FOSS4G Bonn) is very appropriate and also<br>
good point to think for next stage (10th Anniversary) of OSGeo's growth.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Suchith<br>
<br>
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*From:* GeoForAll-ab [<a href="mailto:geoforall-ab-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">geoforall-ab-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] on behalf of<br>
Jeroen Ticheler [<a href="mailto:jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net" target="_blank">jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net</a>]<br>
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 6:47 AM<br>
*To:* <a href="mailto:GeoForAll-ab@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">GeoForAll-ab@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
*Subject:* Re: [geoforall-ab] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be<br>
needed: [Board] geo4all relationship<br>
<br>
Hi all,<br>
I prefer option 1 as it seems to be the logical next step. However I<br>
would suggest the OSGeo board to not force a big process of change onto<br>
the geo4all committee. This transition could go step by step. Options 1B<br>
and 2 are not optimal I think.<br>
Greeting,<br>
Jeroen<br>
<br>
<br>
Op 18 nov. 2015 om 02:11 heeft Venkatesh Raghavan<br>
<<a href="mailto:raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp" target="_blank">raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp" target="_blank">raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp</a>>><br>
het volgende geschreven:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I prefer Scenario 1 as it reflects more closely to the information<br>
presently available<br>
on the OSGeo Website. I think Scenario 1 is less confusion as it also<br>
clarifies the status<br>
of former Edu Committee.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
Venka<br>
<br>
On 2015/11/18 6:17, Charles Schweik wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi all,<br>
<br>
I think I'd like to hear the opinions of others.<br>
<br>
I lean toward 1b and want to keep rules 'lean'. I want to promote OSGeo and<br>
OSGeo official projects, but I also want to make sure we keep strong<br>
partnership with educational (and research) efforts with other projects<br>
like NASA WorldWind.<br>
<br>
But I don't want rules around organization hinder good strong open<br>
geospatial science and education collaboration.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Charlie<br>
<br>
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Jeff McKenna <<a href="mailto:jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com" target="_blank">jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com</a><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
wrote:<br>
Hi Suchith,<br>
<br>
I actually wrote option 1b, so I can tell you that this option only works<br>
if the entire GeoForAll initiative agrees to focus on OSGeo as its<br>
education committee. This document was drafted because it seems that<br>
GeoForAll, as great as the initiative is for education, may not always have<br>
OSGeo in their interests (as many GeoForAll members have stated recently,<br>
that they should not be forced to promote OSGeo, they should have a<br>
choice). Well, this document was created because OSGeo really needs a<br>
committee/existing initiative to always promote OSGeo. So option1b can<br>
only work if the entire GeoForAll initiative agrees to always promote<br>
OSGeo, as its education "arm" of the foundation.<br>
<br>
So before you overwhelmingly choose option 1b, please realize that this<br>
would mean that GeoForAll would be responsible for always promoting OSGeo.<br>
<br>
So maybe GeoForAll needs to debate what is actually its focus, is it<br>
OSGeo, or, is it in fact nothing to do with OSGeo, because it promotes<br>
"open" through many different tools and organizations.<br>
<br>
Personally, I want Option 1b, but at the same time, I also want GeoForAll<br>
to realize that the OSGeo foundation needs a committee/group/initiative to<br>
always be out there promoting OSGeo. If this is a problem, then Option 1b<br>
unfortunately will not work.<br>
<br>
I hope this explanation helps.<br>
<br>
-jeff<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2015-11-17 4:34 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi Phillip,<br>
<br>
Yes, if Option 1b gets more votes, then in this scenario Geo4All would<br>
be required to name an officer who would liaise with the OSGeo Board (as<br>
every other OSGeo committee does). Then my suggestion is that someone who<br>
is an OSGeo Board member (Venka or Helena) is nominated for this role.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Suchith<br>
________________________________________<br>
From: Phillip Davis [<a href="mailto:pdavis@delmar.edu" target="_blank">pdavis@delmar.edu</a>]<br>
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:02 PM<br>
To: Suchith Anand; Helena Mitasova; <a href="mailto:GeoForAll-ab@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">GeoForAll-ab@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
Subject: RE: IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: [Board]<br>
geo4all relationship<br>
<br>
Looks like 1a provides easiest implementation path and keeps GeoForAll<br>
unique identity. Option 1b provides more autonomy for GeoForAll, but the<br>
requirement for an officer is somewhat problematic, since that would be<br>
more or less permanent and might entail much footwork?<br>
<br>
My vote is 1a.<br>
<br>
Dr. Phillip Davis<br>
Director GeoAcademy (<a href="http://fossgeo.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://fossgeo.org</a>)<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: GeoForAll-ab [mailto:<a href="mailto:geoforall-ab-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">geoforall-ab-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] On<br>
Behalf Of Suchith Anand<br>
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 1:05 PM<br>
To: Helena Mitasova; <a href="mailto:GeoForAll-ab@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">GeoForAll-ab@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed:<br>
[Board] geo4all relationship<br>
<br>
Thanks Helena. Please all AB members provide feedback and vote on their<br>
choice of scenario by 30th Nov 2015.<br>
<br>
Also Regional Chairs please inform your views on Regional chairs being<br>
constituted within the OSGeo Foundation structure if there is a majority<br>
vote for Scenario 1? Yes/No<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Suchith<br>
<br>
________________________________________<br>
From: Helena Mitasova [<a href="mailto:hmitaso@ncsu.edu" target="_blank">hmitaso@ncsu.edu</a>]<br>
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 2:41 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:GeoForAll-ab@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">GeoForAll-ab@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
Cc: Suchith Anand<br>
Subject: IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: [Board] geo4all<br>
relationship<br>
<br>
Suchith,<br>
<br>
thanks for presenting the GeoForAll OSGeo Relationship < <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship</a>> document to<br>
the community.<br>
I noticed that the link to the actual document was somewhat burried in<br>
the forwarded email where it could be overlooked. I am resending it at<br>
least for the advisory board because after discussion a decision and vote<br>
on one of the options (perhaps with some revisions) will be needed.<br>
<a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship</a><br>
<br>
Helena<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Nov 17, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Suchith Anand <<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<a href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Thanks Jody . I have added more details into the wiki and forwarding to<br>
Geo4All advisory Board and community.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Dear Geo4All Advisory Board and Regional chairs,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Recently there had been discussions on the future directions for<br>
Geo4All .There were different opinions and hence we arranged a meeting at<br>
Como to discuss this and find a way forward. Following lot of discussions<br>
among our members in our mail lists etc and the meeting at Como[1] that<br>
was led by Charlie Schweik ,the consensus was that OSGeo Education and<br>
Curriculum Committee and GeoForAll are the same and it is now GeoForAll:<br>
OSGeo's Education and Curriculum Effort as reflected in OSGeo website at<br>
<a href="http://www.osgeo.org/education" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/education</a> . Venka has also presented this outcomes<br>
at FOSS4G Seoul [2]. Geo4All will continue to be inclusive and include all<br>
partners that OSGeo Board have MOUs with for expanding this OSGeo' Geo4All<br>
education initiative and warmly welcome everyone who are following the<br>
principles.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Geo4All initiative was started with the key aim to build up OSGeo's<br>
education aims by collaborating with like minded organisations and it is<br>
one of the most successful initiatives that we have undertaken. OSGeo Board<br>
has made separate MoUs with both ICA and ISPRS for expanding Geo4All and<br>
universities,SMEs, government organisations etc worldwide have trusted the<br>
MoUs that OSGeo provided and setup labs and joined the network , so it is<br>
important we provide strong continuity and focus. MoUs have to be respected<br>
and the momentum created need to build upon with clear direction and focus.<br>
It is important that proper structures are in place and steps need to be<br>
taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and<br>
keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has<br>
MoU with. This will also make sure the efforts put in by lot of volunteers<br>
for this is build upon for the future.<br>
<br>
<br>
Geo4All had been working hard to expand OSGeo education activities<br>
globally .Members have been running courses,training events,workshops<br>
using OSGeo software, MOOC programs (that benefitted thousands of students<br>
globally) etc have raised OSGeo education efforts globally. Geo4All members<br>
have been actively contributing to OSGeo Curriculum development effort and<br>
will continue to expand this by having more course materials in various<br>
OSGeo software added to the OSGeo education repository for everyone to make<br>
use of for their teaching and education.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
We will welcome and include all partners that OSGeo Board have MOUs with<br>
for expanding this OSGeo' Geo4All education initiative and warmly welcome<br>
everyone who are following the principles. That way the OSGeo Board will be<br>
able to keep expanding the initiative and to make MoUs with other<br>
organisations etc as we are doing now (ICA, ISPRS) and also in future .<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
So steps need to be taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll<br>
as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other<br>
organisations that OSGeo has MoU with. This will also make sure the efforts<br>
put in by lot of volunteers for this is build upon for the future.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
There are some steps that are outlined below and looking through the<br>
options - Scenario 1 seems to be best option based on the Como discussions<br>
for ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and keep<br>
collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU<br>
with.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
In this case, the Geo4All Advisory Board would include representatives<br>
from our partners like ICA, ISPRS etc. Geo4All Advisory Board comprises of<br>
representatives from ICA, ISPRS, OSGeo and other organisations that join in<br>
future. As a partner in the Geo4All initiative, a Project Steering<br>
Committee (PSC) comprising of VP OSGeo Foundation (Education and Curriculum<br>
Project) and other representatives (e.g Regional Chairs of Geo4All) need to<br>
be constituted within the OSGeo Foundation. The PSC could liaise with<br>
Geo4All Advisory Board to evolve way and means to achieve mutual goals and<br>
objectives.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Charlie Schweik as VP OSGeo Foundation (Education and Curriculum<br>
Project) and other representatives (e.g Regional Chairs of Geo4All) please<br>
let us know if you are happy to being constituted within the OSGeo<br>
Foundation structure?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
May i request all AB members and Regional Chairs to also send their<br>
suggestions on this, so we can move forward. It is important that proper<br>
structures are in place and steps need to be taken to ensure the smooth<br>
transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with<br>
ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with. This will also<br>
make sure the efforts put in by lot of volunteers for this is build upon<br>
for the future.Please send your inputs before 30th Nov 2015 .Thanks.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Suchith<br>
<br>
[1]<br>
<a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_EU_Como_2015_Preconference_meeting" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_EU_Como_2015_Preconference_meeting</a><br>
<br>
[2] <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/VenkateshRaghavan1/g4-a-newver2" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.slideshare.net/VenkateshRaghavan1/g4-a-newver2</a><br>
<br>
<br>
From: Board [<a href="mailto:board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] on behalf of Jody Garnett<br>
[<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 4:25 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">board@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
Subject: [Board] geo4all relationship<br>
<br>
I have added an entry to our wiki for:<br>
<br>
Revised Education Committee mandate pending clarification of GeoForAll<br>
OSGeo Relationship with Geo4All advisory board<br>
<br>
Venkatesh Raghavan and Jeff McKenna are our representatives on the<br>
GeoForAll advisory board.<br>
<br>
Thank you for taking taking on what is an important relationship for our<br>
foundation objectives.<br>
--<br>
Jody Garnett<br>
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