Not sure either, think is mostly a question if we can shutdown the non functioning education committee. Not good to do this with out asking the GeoForAll committee if they would be willing to take on the responsibility. hence the question ...<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 6:13 PM Sanghee Shin <<a href="mailto:shshin@gaia3d.com">shshin@gaia3d.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Dear Maxi, <div><br></div><div>I’m still not fully convinced why relationship between OSGeo and Geo4All is so urgent issue to OSGeo board. If we don’t make a fast decision on this, will there be any fatal consequences followed?</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards, </div><div><br><div>
신상희<br>---<br>Shin, Sanghee<br>Gaia3D, Inc. - The GeoSpatial Company<br><a href="http://www.gaia3d.com" target="_blank">http://www.gaia3d.com</a>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>2015. 11. 30., 오후 6:27, Massimiliano Cannata <<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>> 작성:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Dear All, Jody, Suchit,<div>I would like to gratefully thanks Jody for adding his lighting contribution to the document that three academic professors like Venka, Helena and myself have so poorly redacted so that "<span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';font-size:16px">The original was pretty bad with many off topic questions .." . </span>I would also like to remind that that Venka is member of the Advisory Board and Regional Chairs for the Asia Region, while Helena is regional Chair for the North America Region.</div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>From my point of view, the board need a fast decision about G4A organization structure. If not, from my point of view we should just remove links from OSGeo main page and then renegotiate later after G4A have taken his decision.<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div><div class="gmail_extra">Maxi</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2015-11-29 15:34 GMT+01:00 Suchith Anand <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk</a>></span>:<br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10pt">
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<div style="font-family:Noteworthy-Light;font-size:15px">Thanks for this info. My suggestion is that we also allow the Geo4All community to provide inputs and work on the various scenarios provided and make it detailed before the AB members vote. So my
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<div style="font-family:Noteworthy-Light;font-size:15px">till Dec 15th - All community members to provide inputs/feedbacks for the scenarios</div>
<div style="font-family:Noteworthy-Light;font-size:15px">Dec16th -Jan 10th - AB members to vote on their choice of scenario</div>
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<div style="font-family:Noteworthy-Light;font-size:15px">The scenarios proposed should also focus on the fundamental point that you raised - "are you happy with OSGeo signing MOUs to add new members to GeoForAll, or do you want to be an osgeo subcommittee
and do it yourself, …. or do you want to set up a new legal entity."</div>
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<div style="font-family:Noteworthy-Light;font-size:15px">It is important that there is strong checks in place for ensuring Open Principles in Geoeducation are safeguarded in the longterm and that is why it is very important that MoUs are ONLY signed with
like minded organisations . This will ensure that in future also no MoUs are signed with any organisations who might have properitery interests or agenda . We have to ensure that all the good work and efforts put in by colleagues globally for Open Principles
in Geoeducation is protected. Hence, it is important that OSGeo (i.e OSGeo Board) should be the final decision maker on all MoUs on behalf of Geo4All (as we are doing now). Once OSGeo Board approves an MoU with an external organisation, then the OSGeo President
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<div style="direction:ltr"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Jody Garnett [<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Suchith Anand<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:m.j.kraak@utwente.nl" target="_blank">m.j.kraak@utwente.nl</a>; <a href="mailto:silvanacamboim@gmail.com" target="_blank">silvanacamboim@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:mfinn@usgs.gov" target="_blank">mfinn@usgs.gov</a>; <a href="mailto:sg@icaci.org" target="_blank">sg@icaci.org</a>; <a href="mailto:GeoForAll-ab@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">GeoForAll-ab@lists.osgeo.org</a>; <a href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org</a><span><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] geo4all relationship<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I did not pay attention, it was a <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/11k-Rld4CPBjxUhuI9W7OZ8_UxSlXaKsmtP1Ix7iOrCY/edit" target="_blank">
google doc</a> that I added some comments too and then was volunteered to port it to the wiki (OSGeo is good at volunteering you for stuff). The original was pretty bad with many off topic questions ...
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<div>I did update the diagrams on the wiki, I still think that wiki page misses the fundamental point - "are you happy with OSGeo signing MOUs to add new members to GeoForAll, or do you want to be an osgeo subcommittee and do it yourself, .... or do you want
to set up a new legal entity.</div>
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<div>Personally: I kind of hope for OSGeo's sake that we can play this roll - since it is part of our mandate and GeoForAll represents a great success of the values we believe in.</div>
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<div>As a Board member for OSGeo I do not really mind what happens so long as everyone is happy.</div>
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<div>(Please note I am not signed up to the mailing lists CCed on this thread so each time I reply I get a full inbox of rejected messages).</div>
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</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10pt"><div style="font-family:'Times New Roman';font-size:16px"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10pt">Hi Jody, may i ask who first created these scenarios? It will be good if the original document (i understand from your previous mail to the list that you used google docs) is shared
and we all can update the diagrams and scenarios to make things bit more clearer. I do not understand details of scenario 1b for example.
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<div>I suggest that we do this before we ask AB members to vote. Thanks.</div>
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<a href="mailto:m.j.kraak@utwente.nl" target="_blank">m.j.kraak@utwente.nl</a> [<a href="mailto:m.j.kraak@utwente.nl" target="_blank">m.j.kraak@utwente.nl</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 26, 2015 11:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:suchith.anand@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">suchith.anand@nottingham.ac.uk</a>;
<a href="mailto:silvanacamboim@gmail.com" target="_blank">silvanacamboim@gmail.com</a>;
<a href="mailto:mfinn@usgs.gov" target="_blank">mfinn@usgs.gov</a>; <a href="mailto:sg@icaci.org" target="_blank">
sg@icaci.org</a>; <a href="mailto:GeoForAll-ab@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">GeoForAll-ab@lists.osgeo.org</a>;
<a href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org</a><span><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] geo4all relationship<br>
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<div>Op 26 nov. 2015, om 05:28 heeft Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> het volgende geschreven:</div>
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<div>I want to strongly state that OSGeo is not (and has never) asked for any restriction to promoting OSGeo projects. Our mandate at OSGeo is with respect to promoting open source software - irregardless of origin.
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The scenarios are identical in this respect - I apologize if their was any misunderstanding. I tried to provide examples that showed this.
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We do strongly ask that participation in open source be emphasized. Software is paid for in love or money - ask your students to show some love.<br>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96)">ICA’s reason to participate in and stimulate GeoforAll is to support open source initiatives for education. This should be inclusive to all possible open source initiatives, not necessarily to OSGEO ‘products’ only.</span></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(0,32,96)">This means we are in favor of scenario 2. Here OSGEO, ICA, ISPRS and XXX are ‘equal’ partners, while XXX can be an organization like OSGEO or like ICA and ISPRS.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(0,32,96)">Both scenarios 1 and 1b seem to exclude other open source initiatives.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(69,60,204)">MJ </span></p>
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<div>Op 17 nov. 2015, om 13:19 heeft Suchith Anand <<a href="mailto:suchith.anand@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">suchith.anand@nottingham.ac.uk</a>> het volgende geschreven:</div>
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</div><p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">Recently there had been discussions on the future directions for Geo4All .There were different opinions and hence we arranged a meeting at Como to discuss this and find a way forward. Following lot of discussions among
our members in our mail lists etc and the meeting at Como[1] that was led by Charlie Schweik ,the consensus was that OSGeo Education and Curriculum Committee and GeoForAll are the same and it is now GeoForAll: OSGeo's Education and Curriculum Effort as reflected
in OSGeo website at <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.osgeo.org/education" target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/education</a> . Venka has also presented this outcomes at FOSS4G Seoul [2]. Geo4All will continue to be inclusive and include all partners that
OSGeo Board have MOUs with for expanding this OSGeo' Geo4All education initiative and warmly welcome everyone who are following the principles.</font></p>
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has made separate MoUs with both ICA and ISPRS for expanding Geo4All and universities,SMEs, government organisations etc worldwide have trusted the MoUs that OSGeo provided and setup labs and joined the network , so it is important we provide strong continuity
and focus. MoUs have to be respected and the momentum created need to build upon with clear direction and focus. It is important that proper structures are in place and steps need to be taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education
and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with. This will also make sure the efforts put in by lot of volunteers for this is build upon for the future.</font></p>
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</font></div><p><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);line-height:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">Geo4All had been working hard to expand OSGeo education activities globally .Members have been running courses,training events,workshops
using OSGeo software, MOOC programs (that benefitted thousands of students globally) etc have raised OSGeo education efforts globally. Geo4All members have been actively contributing to OSGeo Curriculum development effort and will continue to expand this
by having more course materials in various OSGeo software added to the OSGeo education repository for everyone to make use of for their teaching and education.</font></span></p>
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</font></p><p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">We will welcome and include all partners that OSGeo Board have MOUs with for expanding this OSGeo' Geo4All education initiative and warmly welcome everyone who are following the principles. That way the OSGeo Board will
be able to keep expanding the initiative and to make MoUs with other organisations etc as we are doing now (ICA, ISPRS) and also in future .</font></p><p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><br>
</font></p><p><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';font-size:12px">So steps need to be taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with. This will also
make sure the efforts put in by lot of volunteers for this is build upon for the future.</span></p><p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><br>
</font></p><p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">There are some steps that are outlined below and looking through the options - Scenario 1 seems to be best option based on the Como discussions for ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and
keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with.</font></p><p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><br>
</font></p><p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">In this case, the Geo4All Advisory Board would include representatives from our partners like ICA, ISPRS etc. Geo4All Advisory Board comprises of representatives from ICA, ISPRS, OSGeo and other organisations that join
in future. As a partner in the Geo4All initiative, a Project Steering Committee (PSC) comprising of VP OSGeo Foundation (Education and Curriculum Project) and other representatives (e.g Regional Chairs of Geo4All) need to be constituted within the OSGeo Foundation.
The PSC could liaise with Geo4All Advisory Board to evolve way and means to achieve mutual goals and objectives. </font></p>
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structure? </font></p><p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><br>
</font></p><p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">May i request all AB members and Regional Chairs to also send their suggestions on this, so we can move forward. </font><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';font-size:12px">It is important that proper structures
are in place and steps need to be taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with. This will also make sure the efforts put in by lot of volunteers
for this is build upon for the future.</span><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">Please send your inputs before 30th Nov 2015 .Thanks.</font></p><p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><br>
</font></p><p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">Best wishes,</font></p><p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><br>
</font></p><p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">Suchith</font></p><p style="font-family:Noteworthy-Light;font-size:15px">[1] <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_EU_Como_2015_Preconference_meeting" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_EU_Como_2015_Preconference_meeting</a></p><p style="font-family:Noteworthy-Light;font-size:15px">[2] <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.slideshare.net/VenkateshRaghavan1/g4-a-newver2" target="_blank">http://www.slideshare.net/VenkateshRaghavan1/g4-a-newver2</a></p>
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<div>I have added an entry to<span> </span><a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors#Working_Groups" target="_blank">our wiki</a> for:</div>
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<div><i>Revised Education Committee mandate pending clarification of<span> </span><a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship" target="_blank">GeoForAll OSGeo Relationship</a><span> </span>with Geo4All advisory board</i></div>
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