I am all for giving thanks - could we make a new category for this one to avoid making sponsorship more complicated?<br><br>Remember the original goal here is to recognize more organizations and ongoing commitment. This is getting a bit lost by considering the role events play in raising funds. <br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 5:56 PM Sanghee Shin <<a href="mailto:shshin@gaia3d.com">shshin@gaia3d.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi all, <div><br></div><div>It’s very interesting to see that recognising local chapters efforts that run past FOSS4Gs can be seen as taxation. I just thought of Venka’s idea as giving Medal of Honour to local chapters that run past FOSS4Gs for their contribution and efforts. Taxes are imposed to everyone/every organisations not selected ones. It’s just about whether OSGeo will give Medal of Honour to local chapters that run **PAST** FOSS4Gs for their great contribution and efforts. Money itself is not so important issue, I think. </div><div><br></div><div>And we should admit that main revenue source for running OSGeo are/were profit shares from global FOSS4Gs. So listing the local chapters that run past FOSS4Gs as lifetime silver level are so absurd. </div><div><br></div><div>Anyway I feel that Venka’s suggestion should be changed to “Recognising FOSS4G LOC’s contribution by listing them as lifetime silver level sponsors.” to avoid confusions around **money** itself. </div><div><br></div><div>Personally to say, not as past FOSS4G Seoul conference chair, I don’t care much about whether Korean chapter should be listed as lifetime sponsors or not. However if OSGeo Foundation recognise local chapter/LOC’s efforts for the FOSS4G organising, somebody might be pleased or happy about that, at least in Korea where recognising is important part of culture. </div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards, </div><div></div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br><div>
신상희<br>---<br>Shin, Sanghee<br>Gaia3D, Inc. - The GeoSpatial Company<br><a href="http://www.gaia3d.com" target="_blank">http://www.gaia3d.com</a>
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<br></div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>2015. 12. 15., 오후 6:41, Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> 작성:</div></blockquote></div></div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><br><div>
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Hi all,<br>
A few points on this thread:<br>
* Yes, it is important to recognise local chapters. We can do this
by listing local chapters, potentially including descriptions about
what they do.<br>
<br>
* But do we want to be encouraging local chapters to raise money for
the global OSGeo? I don't think so. Giving one local chapter greater
recognition because they earn money for the global organisation
implies we are incentivizing local chapters to make money for the
global OSGeo. (Mike called it taxing local communities). I postulate
that asking open source developers to raise money is a quick way to
turn away our core community.<br>
<br>
* Following on from Jody's observations that sponsors often sponsor
their local chapters, this aligns with my observations that Open
Source favours local business models - where services around
installing/integrating/supporting open source are done locally with
a personal touch. As such, it makes sense to help businesses sponsor
locally, and allow sponsors to direct their sponsorship to be
applied locally.<br>
To achieve this, OSGeo global could offer to collate sponsor lists
from local chapters into a global list.<br>
Or alternatively, OSGeo global could collect sponsorship and allow
the sponsor to direct that it be allocated locally. (This could be
used for local chapters which haven't legally incorporated).<br>
<br>
Listing local sponsors in a global page would address two things:<br>
* Increase exposure of sponsor - leading to greater local chapter
sponsorship<br>
* Increase OSGeo's list of sponsors, which shows a healthy community
of sponsors (as identified as a goal by Venka)<br>
<br>
Warm regards, Cameron<br>
<br>
<div>On 15/12/2015 12:09 pm, Venkatesh
Raghavan wrote:<br>
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<div>On 12/14/2015 5:53 PM, Massimiliano
Cannata wrote:<br>
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<pre>I don't have clear idea on this and I feel I need more discussion and
toughs.
a spur of the moment comment:
- I like the option to recognize particularly active local chapter (but not
limiting it to monetary contribution)</pre>
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Yes, not limiting to monetary contribution. I mentioned monetary
contribution because<br>
OSGeo Sponsorship entails monetary contribution [1] and some Local
Chapters, apart<br>
from their very active role in promoting/strengthening OSGeo
Global Foundation, have<br>
also made a sizable monetary contribution.<br>
<br>
Since these chapters fulfill the sponsorship criteria, there could
be some "official"<br>
recognition thereof.<br>
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<pre>- I don't like the idea of funding local chapter without a specific "goal"
or "mission" (then a specific request to the board)</pre>
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+1 to that. In the earlier case above, the "goal/mission" was the
successful<br>
conduct of the OSGeo hosted FOSS4G Global Conference.<br>
<br>
Anyway, this topic could be discussed further at the f2f in Jan.
2016, I think.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
Venka<br>
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[1] <a href="http://www.osgeo.org/sponsorship" target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/sponsorship</a><br>
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Maxi
2015-12-14 9:17 GMT+01:00 Jody Garnett <a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank"><jody.garnett@gmail.com></a>:
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<pre>Let add them to an amazing page for local chapters!
(See goal of involving external organizations with OSGeo - sponsorship is
just one idea)
--
Jody Garnett
On 14 December 2015 at 00:14, Sanghee Shin <a href="mailto:shshin@gaia3d.com" target="_blank"><shshin@gaia3d.com></a> wrote:
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<pre>2015. 12. 14., 오후 5:03, Jody Garnett <a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank"><jody.garnett@gmail.com></a> 작성:
I would hate to have any organizing committee feel bad if their
conference did not return a profit - the primary goal of FOSS4g is outreach
rather than fundraising.
Great point Jody!!
However we can add local chapters which run previous FOSS4G to the
lifetime sponsors list, not because of their monetary contribution to OSGeo
but because of their volunteering great work!
To make this very real, recognizing the Korean local chapter with
"lifetime silver sponsorship" based on FOSS4G profit would do a bit of
injustice in skipping over acknowledging organizations that sponsored the
event directly, or I suppose those who paid conference fees to attend. Such
events are on a different scale then sponsorship, and would be discouraging
for a small consulting shop (like <a href="http://how2map.com" target="_blank">how2map.com</a>) that could never register
against the dollar amounts involved.
Still I suspect that Venka's would like to provide greater recognition to
Korea and others that have done such amazing work. Perhaps after revamping
our sponsors page we could work on
<a href="http://www.osgeo.org/content/chapters/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/content/chapters/index.html</a> to better showcase
local chapters (think logos, events, accomplishments) to better illustrate
participation in our diverse community.
I know Cameron has often asked me (whenever we have an email thread about
sponsorship) what kind of foundation we are expecting to build. I would
like to remain focused on our low cost organization structure, but be in
position to use any resources made available to us as a multiplier on our
volunteer labour.
--
Jody
On 13 December 2015 at 21:24, Sanghee Shin <a href="mailto:shshin@gaia3d.com" target="_blank"><shshin@gaia3d.com></a> wrote:
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<pre>Hi all,
I think both Venka’s & Jody’s idea make sense. Venka’s idea could give
OSGeo Foundation another opportunity to acknowledge and honour local
chapter for its efforts and contribution for the FOSS4G officially.
Kind regards,
신상희
---
Shin, Sanghee
Gaia3D, Inc. - The GeoSpatial Company
<a href="http://www.gaia3d.com/" target="_blank">http://www.gaia3d.com</a>
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<pre>2015. 12. 14., 오전 8:30, Venkatesh Raghavan <
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<pre><a href="mailto:raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp" target="_blank">raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp</a>> 작성:
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<pre>My suggestion is not about sponsoring local chapters (they can
find their own sponsors).
The suggestions was about OSGeo Foundation recognizing of some
Local Chapters as sponsors of the OSGeo (global) Foundation.
By "some" chapters, I mean the chapters that are "official" and that
</pre>
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<pre>have made
</pre>
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<pre>monetary contribution to the OSGeo Foundation (just as
the Koeran Local Chapter recently did as well as other
Local Chapters did before through contribution of profits
from the FOSS4G (Global) conferences).
Venka
On 2015/12/14 7:28, Michael Smith wrote:
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<pre>I like this approach a lot more personally. I think we should do all
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<pre>that we can to support local chapters.
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<pre>As for the finance part, we have no financial connection to local
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<pre>chapters. We don't manage any finances except for the main foundation.
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Michael Smith
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<pre>On Dec 13, 2015, at 5:15 PM, Jody Garnett <a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank"><jody.garnett@gmail.com></a>
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<pre>updated how to sponsor OSGeo page, you can see incentives for prior
sponsors and sporing OSGeo events. If we want we can add "sponsoring local
chapters" to the list.
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<pre>Where does this ideas come from? One item of feedback I got when
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<pre>reaching out to sponsors was that they were already sponsoring local
chapters and it would be nice if this could also be recognized as
contributing to OSGeo.
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<pre>Before everyone agrees this makes sense / is obvious / etc... there
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<pre>is a reason why I was shaky in answering. Although sponsoring a local
chapter is in keeping with our mandate - it does not interact directly with
the Foundation's back account the same way sponsoring a local/global event
does.
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<pre>As such it is a matter to discuss on the board list here... and
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<pre>So the alternate suggestion is to highlight local chapters as a
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<pre>prime example of *participation*, and set up policies so that sponsors are
recognized for engaging with local chapters. Note this policy change steers
OSGeo in a more decentralized, and should be considered a strategic
direction by the board - rather than just in isolation.
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<pre>(As a board member I like this strategy, but would like to see
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<pre>consensus before pursuing it. I also want to recognize the caution Micheal
Smith expressed in the IRC meeting)
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<pre>--
Jody
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<pre>On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 5:42 PM Venkatesh Raghavan <
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<pre><a href="mailto:raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp" target="_blank">raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp</a>> wrote:
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<pre>Dear All,
I brought up the topic of *requesting* Sponsorship from "official"
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<pre>for Local Chapters as equivalent to sponsoring OSGeo foundation at
appropriate
level.
I would like to propose that the recent contribution (profits for
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<pre>FOSS4G
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<pre>2015)
by the Korean Local Chapter be recognized as equivalent to life time
sponsorship
at Silver Leval [1]. Earlier contributions of other local chapters
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<pre>(e.g
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<pre>PDX etc.) could
be similarly recognized.
Doing so could serve two purposes. Firstly, we will see the
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<pre>sponsorship
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densely populated. Secondly, it may prompt other local chapters to
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<pre>make
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<pre>voluntary
contributions to keep our Foundation running.
Best
Venka
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