<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 21 Feb 2016, at 17:36, Michael Smith <<a href="mailto:michael.smith.erdc@gmail.com" class="">michael.smith.erdc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Tim,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There is no such bylaw that I'm aware of and we just recently went over the bylaws at our face-to-face meeting. Making payments should also be a simple matter. Perhaps a lot of this was early on in the foundation? There should be no such issues now (speaking as treasurer for other interested projects). </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Yes it was in the very early days of OSGEO - glad to hear these things are addressed now!</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Regards</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Tim</div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Mike</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><font class="Apple-style-span"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri">----</font></font></div><div class=""><font class="Apple-style-span"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri">Michael Smith</font></font></div><div class=""><div class="">OSGeo Foundation Treasurer</div><div class=""><a href="mailto:treasurer@osgeo.org" class="">treasurer@osgeo.org</a></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" class=""><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt; text-align: left; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223);" class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">From: </span> Board <<a href="mailto:board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" class="">board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>> on behalf of Tim Sutton <<a href="mailto:tim@kartoza.com" class="">tim@kartoza.com</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Date: </span> Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 9:42 AM<br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">To: </span> Venkatesh Raghavan <<a href="mailto:raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp" class="">raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Cc: </span> OSGeo Board <<a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org" class="">board@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Subject: </span> [EXTERNAL] Re: [Board] Project sponsoring<br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Resent-From: </span> Michael Smith <<a href="mailto:michael.smith@usace.army.mil" class="">michael.smith@usace.army.mil</a>><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style="BORDER-LEFT: #b5c4df 5 solid; PADDING:0 0 0 5; MARGIN:0 0 0 5;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">
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<div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 21 Feb 2016, at 05:54, Venkatesh Raghavan <<a href="mailto:raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp" class="">raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class=""><div class="moz-cite-prefix">Even,<br class=""><br class="">
Thanks for bringing this up. As Jody, has pointed out,<br class="">
the funding GDAL through "Project Sponsorship" [1]<br class="">
of OSGeo Foundation is possible. I do think that our .501(c)(4) <br class="">
status does no restrict sponsorship opportunities is anyway. <br class="">
As in the past, the OSGeo board will be happy to manage the <br class="">
this under "Project Sponsorship" [1].<br class=""><br class="">
QGIS and gvSIG associations must had a good reason to manage<br class="">
their sponsorship independently. One of the reasons that they<br class="">
decided to do so could be because it was more convenient, I guess.<br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If I understand the discussion correctly, you are referring to the use of OSGEO to manage project funds? Speaking for QGIS, when OSGEO was initially founded we used OSGEO to manage our funds, but there was a bylaw (not sure if you still have it) that took
a very large cut (20% ?) in favour of OSGEO off the top of any money that was managed by OSGEO on our behalf. We also found it quite inflexible to move money around - if we wanted to pay for something we first had to go through multiple layers and wait states
to make payment. Both of these factors made using OSGEO as a fund management agent a no-go for us.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tim</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class=""><div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br class="">
Funding developers directly is also a possibility, but in some cases<br class="">
the sponsors may like to have their paperwork done through an<br class="">
officially registered foundation or association.<br class=""><br class="">
Personally, I think that managing GDAL sponsorship would depend<br class="">
on what is most convenient for the PSC and potential Project <br class="">
Sponsors. <br class=""><br class="">
The board would be happy to assist in managing the GDAL "Project<br class="">
Sposorship".<br class=""><br class="">
Best <br class=""><br class="">
Venka<br class=""><br class="">
[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="blockedblockedhttp://www.osgeo.org/sponsorship/opportunitiesBlocked">
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On 2016/02/21 2:15, Jody Garnett wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote cite="mid:CAOhbgAn+OtkRDh7CmpEVyQOObtyx1snhbfK_WVn3obHAjWCR1w@mail.gmail.com" type="cite" class=""><pre wrap="" class="">Project sponsorship works, we fixed the tax stuff.
I best make a news announcement.
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 5:26 AM Even Rouault <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:even.rouault@spatialys.com"><even.rouault@spatialys.com></a>
wrote:
</pre><blockquote type="cite" class=""><pre wrap="" class="">Hi board,
I just received an email from a company, as a long time user of GDAL, that
would have been interested in sponsoring it. They found
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="blockedblockedhttp://gdal.org/sponsorship.htmlBlocked">BlockedBlockedhttp://gdal.org/sponsorship.htmlBlocked</a>, that is a remain of the time were there
was
a sponsorhip program through OSGeo (I should probably remove the page
completely). As far as I understand, due to the 501(c)(4) status, this is
no
longer possible.
So currently they have no direct way of sponsoring GDAL specific
activities,
except sponsoring developers directly. Sponsoring OSGeo is of course a way
of
indirectly sponsoring OSGeo projects, for example to fund the shared IT
infrastructure, or code sprints, but this has a more limited impact on
day-to-
day maintenance activities led by a project: bug triage & fixing,
reviewing &
applying contributions, monitoring and maintenance of coutinuous
integration
environments, user assistance on mailing list, release process, ...
I'm not sure if there's a way forward for this. QGIS has for example
established their <a href="blockedblockedhttp://qgis.orgBlocked" class="">qgis.org</a> association for activities that are close to
the
past OSGeo project sponsorship. I see there's a GvSIG association too.
Perhaps
other projects with similar needs have adopted similar solutions.
I'm not particularly requesting any action from the board. This was just to
share this experience and see if the board has some thoughts about the
topic
in general. For example, if the solution of project-specific associations
is
something that the board is happy with or would encourage, or if it is
indifferent to funding solutions the projects may adopt. Direct funding of
developers is also a solution, although for most activities I mentioned
above,
it can be difficult to get, contrary to funding that is feature oriented.
And
even if you get it, formally, it's funding of developer/company X, and not
of
project Y.
By the way, I see the GDAL page points to
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="blockedblockedhttp://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Project_SponsorshipBlocked">BlockedBlockedhttp://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Project_SponsorshipBlocked</a> : I guess this one is no
longer
valid ?
Cheers,
Even
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