<p dir="ltr">Dear all,<br>
GSoC is a great program and was gratly administered and largely successful in the last years thanks to th great work of anne and madi. I know they are absolutely correct and that if any misunderstood i am sure that it occurred for unclear communication and not for any personal issue.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I remember anyway that any osgeo community member can privately contact the code of conduct committee to express situation they believe are not fear and or non correct.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I also recall that madi is appointed by the board and has the full trust.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Maxi</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">Il 02/Apr/2016 12:45, "Jorge Sanz" <<a href="mailto:jsanz@osgeo.org">jsanz@osgeo.org</a>> ha scritto:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi all<br>
<br>
We don't know the timing of these emails and I really don't care. My<br>
only concern is about students applying to the GSoC and having a fair<br>
chance to participate on the program. From the wiki page I see Brian<br>
added himself to the list of proposed mentors on March 14th[1], the<br>
same day the applications for students opened[2], listing himself as<br>
SciPy, PostGIS and GDAL.<br>
<br>
If there's been any misunderstanding please try to fix it and do your<br>
best, assume good faith and communicate, because at the end we are all<br>
here working for the community and welcoming new people in this case<br>
with GSoC. Please remember our code of conduct guidelines, specially<br>
the second one[3].<br>
<br>
I'm totally confident on Margherita's good judge, so Brian if you have<br>
any issue with any other member of this community please deal with it<br>
privately and think on the hard job is needed to get the GSoC program<br>
working and that we are all human and need each others to get things<br>
done. As a past mentor and point of contact between OSGeo and gvSIG I<br>
know how much work is needed to get this done and how easily the lack<br>
of communication can make things difficult, specially on this<br>
procedures that proceed over several months.<br>
<br>
All the best<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php?title=Google_Summer_of_Code_2016_Administrative&diff=prev&oldid=97385" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php?title=Google_Summer_of_Code_2016_Administrative&diff=prev&oldid=97385</a><br>
[2] <a href="https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline</a><br>
[3] <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Code_Of_Conduct#Specific_Guidelines" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Code_Of_Conduct#Specific_Guidelines</a><br>
<br>
On 1 April 2016 at 15:11, Margherita Di Leo <<a href="mailto:diregola@gmail.com">diregola@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Dear members of the Board,<br>
><br>
><br>
> I am writing to you because I am experiencing some issues with a person that<br>
> applied to be mentor for GSoC. I don’t think it is any news that as admins<br>
> are responsible for the mentors and, should they disappear during the year,<br>
> admins should take over. It is our interest to *select* mentors that are<br>
> reliable, and have a solid record in the community they contribute to.<br>
> Managing mentors from all the project communities under OSGeo’s umbrella, as<br>
> well as guest projects, is not easy, mostly because we don’t know each and<br>
> every person that apply to become mentor. Most of the times, it is<br>
> sufficient to browse the code contribution of these people. We have also<br>
> simplified the procedure to become a mentor, so that the mentors have to<br>
> appoint themselves in a wiki page [1], the more transparent the procedure<br>
> is, the better. We normally contact would-be mentors if any information is<br>
> missing or unclear, especially if we don’t know them.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Now, it occurred that one of those people, that I don’t personally know, had<br>
> indicated several entries in the field of “software community”, some of<br>
> which are not under OSGeo umbrella. Normally, what I do in these cases, I<br>
> contacted him asking to clarify what exactly was the idea he wanted to<br>
> mentor for. I also discussed with Anne and she was in cc in the whole email<br>
> exchange. This person never clarified his intentions, remaining vague. Anne<br>
> and I were in doubt whether the procedure was not clear to him. I can<br>
> extrapolate some sentences from the email exchange:<br>
><br>
><br>
> Me: “I'm writing you because I saw that you requested to mentor this year<br>
> for GSoC. Could you please specify for which software community and which<br>
> idea?”<br>
><br>
><br>
> He: “I am new to GSoC. After many years of building the SciPy Geo stack for<br>
> OSGeo-Live, I believe I could take a student through many different paths. I<br>
> have not looked at the ideas page much -- what is the protocol there ? Do<br>
> I add ideas ?”<br>
><br>
><br>
> He had not specified OSGeo-Live as a project he wanted to mentor for, but<br>
> since he specified several, and cited it in his first email, I assumed he<br>
> meant to mentor for OSGeo-Live. However, I requested him again to specify at<br>
> least one idea he wanted to mentor for, and linked him some resources,<br>
> because he was clearly confused about the whole GSoC concept. Waiting for<br>
> his answer, I have hold to appoint him as mentor.<br>
><br>
> He never got back with a reply, but his next email was: “Hi Margherita --<br>
> whats going on now ?”<br>
><br>
><br>
> You can imagine my surprise, however, I replied that we received no students<br>
> submissions for OSGeo-Live. Moreover, student submissions were closed and we<br>
> accept further mentors only if they are already bound to a specific<br>
> proposal. Then his answer was the most surprising one:<br>
><br>
><br>
> “Hi Margherita -<br>
><br>
> this is confusing, since I am not listed as "OSGeo-Live" mentor.. perhaps<br>
> someone else is giving you information and you are distracted ?<br>
><br>
> You might be mixing this with last years OSGeo-Live and your brother-in-law<br>
> ?<br>
><br>
> I had two students, but I don think they were clear on the process, either,<br>
> since this is their first time too<br>
><br>
> I am available as listed - thanks”<br>
><br>
><br>
> So he never mentioned who are the students and what are the ideas that he is<br>
> up to mentor, but he is accusing me to be distracted and confused, and he is<br>
> mentioning my brother in law, that is, no mystery, epifanio. At this, I<br>
> perceived his intention was more like spamming / bullying rather than<br>
> mentoring, and I replied :<br>
><br>
><br>
> “this is confusing indeed, because you were not clear at all about the OSGeo<br>
> or guest project you wanted to mentor for! I guessed it was the OSGeo-live<br>
> because was the only OSGeo project you mentioned in your email! Please try<br>
> not to mix my family ties with gsoc and make clear to yourself your plans<br>
> about mentoring.”<br>
><br>
><br>
> However, the reason why I’m writing is that this person has started to<br>
> slander my work as admin in public chats, like this:<br>
><br>
><br>
> x: ah hm interesting -- my student just wrote me and said that he DID supply<br>
> the application for PostGIS in time for the deadline<br>
><br>
> x: thats a neat twist, considering that my mentor status was listed as<br>
> "PostGIS" .. and the rejection email from Margharita definitely said "We did<br>
> not receive any applications for OSGeo-Live"<br>
><br>
> x: and, there is one and only one PostGIS mentor listed, which is me<br>
><br>
> x: -<br>
><br>
> x: so I have to give you some credit epifanio for actually feeding your<br>
> sister-in-law some story that got me out .. effective "revenge" there<br>
><br>
> x: you said you would get me, and you did<br>
><br>
><br>
> Now, I’m not impressed by his bullying, and I pity him. But, beside I don’t<br>
> have a clue of what he is talking about (not that it interests me in the<br>
> slightest) I need to maintain my reputation crystal clear, and since this is<br>
> a delicate matter about privacy, I don’t feel like sharing to everyone all<br>
> the email exchange revealing the name of this person and so on. This would<br>
> be mean. But I remain at disposal of any member of the board that wanted to<br>
> go further in this matter.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I also would like to point out that this is a very serious matter, since in<br>
> the GSoC program, money are involved and I don’t want to raise the slightest<br>
> doubt about my respectability or my favouring a member of my family in any<br>
> circumstances. If this person continues on this way, I’m afraid I’ll be<br>
> forced to do anything is legally in my power to protect my respectability.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Finally, as far as GSoC is concerned: I have always given the benefit of the<br>
> doubt to anyone. English is my second language and I cannot be always sure<br>
> to understand every shades of what people mean, and in the doubt, I always<br>
> assume that they mean good. However, it looks clear to me that this person’s<br>
> behavior demonstrates a childish attitude (not to say worse) and, as long as<br>
> the mentors selection is under my responsibility, I don’t consider him<br>
> mature and reliable to become a mentor for any of our students.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Please, pardon the length of my email, but I needed to bring this matter to<br>
> the Board in order to make the situation as transparent and crystal clear as<br>
> possible. Allow me to add that behaviours like this one really dishearten<br>
> people from taking the initiative of doing something on a voluntary basis.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> [1] <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2016_Administrative" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2016_Administrative</a><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Margherita Di Leo<br>
><br>
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