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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi All,<br>
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Thanks to Jeff and Vincent for expressing their concerns about<br>
the use of loomio for board discussions and voting.<br>
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I am still learning the ropes of loomio. However, if there is no
way<br>
of setting loomio to receive comments from non-board members<br>
(without them having to appy to 'join' the discussions), it would
be<br>
better that all discussion take place on the board ML and loomio<br>
used only to record the voting.<br>
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Best<br>
<br>
Venka<br>
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On 2016/09/15 12:28, Helena Mitasova wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">I have mixed feelings about Loomio too - maybe we should give it few more
weeks and then decide
whether it i suitable for OSGeo board or not, Helena
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Vincent Picavet (ml) <
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vincent.ml@oslandia.com">vincent.ml@oslandia.com</a>> wrote:
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On 14/09/2016 22:05, Jeff McKenna wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I know, I must sit back and let technology and innovation and people
grow, in OSGeo, but I was surprised to notice today that I cannot
receive email notifications and easily follow and join, what has always
been Open discussions for voting at the OSGeo Board level, any longer
because voting is now managed in a closed Loomio system.
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I may start to be an old guy, but I do feel the same, and have been
feeling the same with QGIS.ORG way of doing things too.
Thanks for raising the point.
Vincent
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Background
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Before anyone gets upset at me for being so close-minded to change, I
should say that I have been involved in the formation of the QGIS.ORG
legal entity since its beginning, and I fully support that organization
(Tim and others invited me to edit their initial documents and provide
input on its formation). I do realize that Loomio is being successfully
used by the QGIS.ORG Board.
Discussion
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The Loomio "OSGeo Board" group requires an account, and also
surprisingly it requires you to apply to 'join' the group discussion.
Yes, I am aware that I can visibly see the discussion by clicking on the
Loomio discussion link; but remember, OSGeo Board discussions are done
in the open and have always been very easy to follow through this
mailing list. Now though, with Loomio, important discussions are
occurring on a system that only 9 people (the board members) have
privileges to both post a comment or receive email notifications. I
actually assumed Loomio would somehow be used to log voting, but all
voting would still be displayed on the OSGeo Board list, and all
discussions would occur on the Board list.
Sure, Loomio offers nice charts and fancy tools, and votes are logged,
but since discussion is closed that really defeats the purpose.
Again, it might be great for the QGIS.ORG entity, but for OSGeo where we
have always tried to be so open and transparent, Loomio appears to me to
be a sudden change in the foundation's thinking.
Conclusion
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I believe the OSGeo Board is still experimenting with Loomio, but I
wanted to give you my thoughts today, as I was surprised to find how
difficult it is to follow voting discussions now.
Maybe there is a way or a hook so that all discussions and messages on
Loomio are posted right away to this mailing list, so Loomio can be used
to record voting but have discussions still occur in the open. Not
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I just think my impressions might be useful, as I tried to follow
today's discussions. (yes, still do, always have, on each of OSGeo's
200-ish mailing lists ha)
thanks,
-jeff
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