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<p>Maria, board,</p>
<p>Thanks for looking for a solution to the paralyzing of conference
committee decision making process, and putting it on the board
agenda.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Sorting out the issue of voting is important, but I feel is
missing the more important underlying problem:</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>"Why do we have enthusiastic volunteers leave OSGeo due to
frustration? Why are our committees shrinking in size and
effectiveness?" Could these question please be added to the board
agenda.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I suggest that there has been a subtle cultural change over the
last 5 years or so. Volunteer effectiveness has been reduced as we
have been less trusting and more controlling of our volunteers'
initiatives, making it harder for volunteers to "scratch an itch".
This reduces the fun of contributing.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>If the OSGeo board is supportive, I'm open to be involved in a
discussion to help expand upon these ideas, and the practical
steps to put them in place.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Of note, if you read between the lines in the email thread below,
a lot of the ideas have already been raised from respected
community members.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Warm regards, Cameron<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/10/2016 6:54 AM, Maria Antonia
Brovelli wrote:<br>
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<p><span>Of course I'm not enthusiastic, I'm not enthusiastic at
all. In fact, as I wrote when I was not part of the Board
and a as logic consequence of the situation (the message
from many people was: the CC decides about conferences, the
Board about governance), we asked the Board to discuss and
to decide about the governance. And in order not to slow
down the activities, we (now I'm part of the Board) have a
Board meeting very soon. </span></p>
<p><span>Therefore, as you can see, I'm <span>promptly </span>moving
toward searching a solution.</span></p>
<p><span>Thanks a lot for your detailed suggestions and
comments (all of you).</span></p>
<p><span>Have a lovely week.</span></p>
<p><span>Maria</span></p>
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<b>Inviato:</b> domenica 9 ottobre 2016 16.59<br>
<b>A:</b> conference<br>
<b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Conf] [Board] Amended MOTION
(items 1-5): Conference Committee - Updating Membership
Policies and Process</font>
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<div dir="ltr">If most members of this committee despair at
this fiasco, I can only imagine the enthusiasm with which
the board will take it up. Except maybe they'll be very
enthusiastic, since it is the board members on this
committee that have stuck sticks in the spokes of Steven's
motion.
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<div>I see recent conference chairs and prospective chairs
in support of Steven's changes, and Board members
opposed. I supported them myself, even though that meant
superannuating myself from the committee. Well and good:
it's been a decade since my conference, and a smaller
committee might actually be able to move a little more
nimbly and do more than just winnow a couple RPF
responses every 12 months.</div>
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<div>Venka and Maria, you seem surprisingly willing to
destroy the village in order to save it. I dunno what to
think.</div>
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<div>ATB,</div>
<div>P<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 5:41
AM, Venkatesh Raghavan <span dir="ltr">
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:venka.osgeo@gmail.com"
target="_blank">venka.osgeo@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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0 .8ex; border-left:1px #ccc solid;
padding-left:1ex">
Dear All,<br>
<br>
Firstly, the amended motion [1] on quorum can be
re-proposed<br>
since it did not pass due to lack of sufficient
votes.<br>
<br>
I had voted on the amended [1] and original [2]
motions<br>
taking into consideration the present guidelines
[3]<br>
which has been in use by our foundation for the
last<br>
10 years.<br>
<br>
I standby my -1 vote (which represents a veto as
per our current<br>
guidelines [3]) for the original motion [2]. I
also stand by my<br>
+1 vote for the amended motion [1] on quorum
requirement.<br>
<br>
I think that the contents of the original motion
[2] calls for consultation with the board since
it reflects a major change in the existing
committee guidelines [3] which it is not a
matter to be discussed and decided on the
conference mailing list alone.<br>
<br>
Also, I think that once the voting on the
motions are completed and<br>
the results are declared, it is inappropriate to
ask members to change<br>
their votes.<br>
<br>
As mentioned in the beginning of this mail, the
amended motion [1] could<br>
be re-tabled with the appropriate voting
deadline (1 week, 10 days?).<br>
<br>
[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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[3] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Co<wbr>mmittee_Guidelines</a><br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
Venka
<div>
<div><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 10/9/2016 7:49 PM, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:till.adams@fossgis.de"
target="_blank">till.adams@fossgis.de</a>
wrote:<br>
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style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1px
#ccc solid; padding-left:1ex">
Dear all,<br>
<br>
following Peter, Steven and Cameron, I'd
propose that Venka and Maria<br>
make alternative proposals on which we can
go on to vote within a<br>
certain period of time (don't mind, if 5
days or 10 days). If they do<br>
not deliver an alternative proposal, I'd
encourage Steven (who is still<br>
our chair and also put this motion
initially on the board) to<br>
re-proposes the originally proposal for a
majority vote.<br>
<br>
With this we at least continue our work
and come to a solution.<br>
Everything else would be just a
preservation of a not cleared condition<br>
and I assume (and hope), that this is not
what Venka and Maria intended.<br>
<br>
Till<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
As Peter said, we can<br>
<br>
Am 2016-10-09 02:45, schrieb Michael
Terner:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
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padding-left:1ex">
Please count another STRONG +1 to
Camerons observations and<br>
suggestions.<br>
<br>
From our vantage of needing strong,
stable support from Conference Dev<br>
(for FOSS4G 17 in Boston), there is a
need to bring these discussions<br>
to closure, and without losing some of
the braintrust. Again, from our<br>
perspective less bureaucracy, and more
agility will be good things.<br>
And, while the pool of people who are
"most interested and involved"<br>
may go through some cycles, there has
always seemed to be a strong<br>
critical mass, and thats fine. Would
love to see an outcome where<br>
Stevens proposals can come into some
form of being, and for Stevens<br>
hand to return to the tiller...<br>
<br>
Respectfully, MT<br>
<br>
On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Peter
Batty <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:peter@ebatty.com"
target="_blank">peter@ebatty.com</a>
[37]><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
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+1 to Camerons email.<br>
<br>
For what its worth, it was mentioned
somewhere along the way that<br>
the board voting procedure, which I
think is what we are supposed to<br>
be following in terms of these vetoes
etc, says that "If a motion is<br>
vetoed, and it cannot be revised to
satisfy all parties, then it can<br>
be resubmitted for an override vote,
in which a majority of all<br>
Board members indicating +1 is
required to pass it."<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Voting_Procedure"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Bo<wbr>ard_Voting_Procedure</a>
[33]<br>
<br>
So if someone wants to re-propose the
original motion which had<br>
strong majority support at the time,
we can re-vote on that, if<br>
enough people are still watching. I
dont especially want to<br>
re-propose it myself as I dont have a
strong interest in this<br>
procedural stuff, and I have lost
track of whether there were any<br>
amendments to the original motion
proposed by Steven that should be<br>
incorporated in a re-submitted motion.<br>
<br>
On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 3:27 PM,
Cameron Shorter<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>
[34]> wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;
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padding-left:1ex">
Hi Maria,<br>
<br>
I fear that you are not appreciating
that by applying a veto, and<br>
then not stepping up to "do whatever
it takes to get resolution",<br>
you are breaking one of the core
principles of successful open<br>
source communities.<br>
<br>
It breaks the motivation and
enthusiasm of volunteers. Note<br>
Stephens initial drive, motivation
and enthusiasm changing to his<br>
submitting his resignation.<br>
<br>
Stephens Return-On-Effort for his
contribution has been<br>
significantly impacted by the amount
of red-tape imposed upon him.<br>
It has impacted one of our key human
driving motivators - our<br>
desire for autonomy and ability to
set our own direction. (Refer<br>
to Daniel Pinks "Drive" [1] which
summarises research on<br>
motivation).<br>
<br>
Likewise we have seen the rest of
the conference committee suffer<br>
email fatigue and drop out of the
conversation. Silently dropping<br>
out of the volunteer community.<br>
<br>
Please ask yourself:<br>
<br>
* Is OSGeo better without Stephen
being involved in it?<br>
<br>
* Is OSGeo better without Stephen
taking on the significant<br>
amount of work he has been doing
cleaning up FOSS4G processes?<br>
<br>
* Am I prepared to take on all the
work that Stephen is doing if<br>
he is to leave?<br>
<br>
* Am I prepared to lead a new
proposal through a voting process<br>
all the way to conclusion? (Noting
how hard it has been so far)<br>
<br>
If your answer is "No" to any of the
above, please re-consider<br>
your veto vote. I suspect you really
would like to back our<br>
enthusiastic OSGeo volunteers.
Usually it is better to get a "good<br>
enough" solution than "no solution
at all". It can always be<br>
improved in a later iteration. And I
suspect you would want to<br>
attract and encourage our volunteers
to participate?<br>
<br>
[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
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[29]<br>
<br>
Warm regards, Cameron<br>
<br>
On 8/10/2016 1:33 AM, Even Rouault
wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;
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padding-left:1ex">
Maria,<br>
<br>
Im not sure what is the exact
scope you intend with<br>
"Committees", and in<br>
particular if that would apply to
the voting rules of the PSC<br>
of projects, but<br>
as far as Im concerned, Im rather
satisfied with what we have<br>
currently (for<br>
the GDAL project). I would fear
that requirements for a minimum<br>
quorum could<br>
cause issues since it is not
uncommon to have very few people<br>
taking part to<br>
the vote of some decisions.<br>
Eli Adam pointed in<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
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[28]<br>
several examples of different
projects with low vote<br>
participation in some<br>
votes. That is a bit sad of
course, wed like to have 100%<br>
participation, but<br>
thats the reality.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Even<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;
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padding-left:1ex">
Dear Steven,<br>
<br>
I dont withdraw my vetoe. As
said, Ill ask the Board to<br>
decide about<br>
the governance of the
Committees.<br>
<br>
Have a wonderful holiday!<br>
<br>
Cheers to everybody.<br>
<br>
Maria<br>
<br>
------------------------------<wbr>----------------------<br>
Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli<br>
Vice Rector for Como Campus and
GIS Professor<br>
Politecnico di Milano<br>
<br>
ISPRS WG IV/4"Collaborative
crowdsourced cloud mapping<br>
(C3M)"; OSGeo;<br>
ICA-OSGeo-ISPRS Advisory Board;
NASA WorldWind Europa<br>
Challenge; SIFET Sol<br>
Katz Award 2015<br>
<br>
Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO
(ITALY)<br>
Tel. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">prorettrice@como.polimi.it</a>
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[7]> per conto di<br>
Steven Feldman <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com"
target="_blank">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>
[8]> Inviato: martedì 4<br>
ottobre 2016 20.18<br>
A: Conference Dev<br>
Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Conf]
[Board] Amended MOTION (items
1-5):<br>
Conference<br>
Committee - Updating Membership
Policies and Process<br>
<br>
It isn’t clear to me whether
Venka and Maria withdrew their<br>
vetoes.<br>
<br>
My reading is that the committee
whilst voting by a majority<br>
for the<br>
original motion does not feel
strongly about the matter and<br>
there is no<br>
appetite to extend the
discussion. I do not wish to
take a<br>
chair’s<br>
initiative to force the motion
through and then attempt to<br>
impose its<br>
consequences, I think that
should be up to the next chair
of<br>
the<br>
committee.<br>
<br>
It is my intention to stand down
as chair of the conference<br>
committee at<br>
the end of the 2018 selection
process.<br>
<br>
So let’s leave the motion
undecided and focus on the<br>
selection for 2018<br>
until the end of the year.<br>
<br>
In that regard, I will be
travelling between October 13th
and<br>
November 7th,<br>
internet may be limited for some
of the time. Is there anyone<br>
willing to<br>
stand in to push things along
(facilitate questions on LoIs,<br>
trigger the<br>
vote and notify the results)
whilst I am away? I will be back<br>
to pick<br>
things up before the final
proposals come in.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
______<br>
Steven<br>
<br>
On 30 Sep 2016, at 13:45,
Cameron Shorter<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a><br>
[9]<mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gma<wbr>il.com</a>
[10]>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Steven, others,<br>
<br>
The conference committee is
ineffective if it cant make<br>
efficient<br>
decisions. Usually, any decision
is better than no decision,<br>
and is<br>
certainly the case for this
motion. Im in favour of Steven,<br>
as chair,<br>
using his best judgement to
finalise this vote and move<br>
forward to being<br>
effective again.<br>
<br>
Steven, I trust your judgement,
and you have my vote.<br>
<br>
Warm regards, Cameron<br>
<br>
On 30/09/2016 7:35 PM, Steven
Feldman wrote:<br>
I am combining Maria’s mail and
Venka’s (copied below)<br>
and responding to<br>
both<br>
<br>
Several people have expressed
concern that a lot of committee<br>
members have<br>
not voted on the recent
amendment and have suggested
that if<br>
they do not<br>
vote in a further round of
voting on the amendment and/or
the<br>
original<br>
motion they should be obliged to
stand down for the<br>
committee.<br>
<br>
It has been suggested that not
voting indicates a lack of<br>
commitment. I<br>
disagree, we have a committee
whose expertise is in the<br>
delivery of FOSS4G<br>
events, particularly the global
events. I would not be<br>
surprised or<br>
concerned if several of them are
not interested in the<br>
procedural details<br>
of what quorum we should require
on the odd occasion that we<br>
vote. As long<br>
as they commit their time and
experience to carefully<br>
considering the<br>
LoI’s and Proposals in the
FOSS4G selection process, asking<br>
penetrating<br>
and insightful questions and
then voting to select our<br>
recommendation to<br>
the board I am grateful for
their participation.<br>
<br>
Not withstanding what I have
just said, I do believe that the<br>
committee<br>
size should be limited to 11 and
should have a defined<br>
retirement process<br>
as I proposed in the original
motion.<br>
<br>
I don’t see the lack of votes
for Maria’s amendment as a<br>
dereliction of<br>
duty, I see it as a sign of
exhaustion with this seemingly<br>
never ending<br>
debate. The mail trail now
exceeds 120! After extensive<br>
discussion, the<br>
original motion which
incorporated the standard
Committee<br>
Guidelines on<br>
voting was voted for by a strong
majority of the committee<br>
(+1 = 12, +0 =<br>
1, -1 = 2, no votes = 3 of which
one verbally supported the<br>
motion but did<br>
not place a formal vote). We
have now spent nearly 2 working<br>
weeks<br>
discussing amendments and have
voted on one (there are<br>
potentially 4 more<br>
amendments to discuss and vote
on, one of which potentially<br>
reverses the<br>
intention of the original motion
by seeking to increase<br>
rather than reduce<br>
the size of the committee). In
my opinion, this is not the<br>
reasonable<br>
pursuit of consensus it is
bordering on an abuse of
process.<br>
<br>
The voting rules that were
proposed in the original motion<br>
are based on the<br>
Committee Guidelines which are
in use in several of our<br>
committees and<br>
PSCs. If these guidelines
represent a ‘benevolent<br>
dictatorship’ (what<br>
others may describe as a
do-ocracy) that is now
considered<br>
unacceptable,<br>
then it is for the Board to
initiate a discussion (and<br>
presumably a vote<br>
amongst the charter membership)
that changes these guidelines<br>
for all<br>
committees not just for the
Conference Committee.<br>
<br>
It is up to Venka and Maria if
they wish to insist on a<br>
further vote. If we<br>
are to vote again, we need to be
clear whether we are voting<br>
on the<br>
original motion or the amended
motion or a further amended<br>
motion which<br>
also includes some or all of the
further amendments (2-5)<br>
which have yet<br>
to be fully discussed.<br>
<br>
I recognise that as the proposer
of the original motion who<br>
has strong<br>
views on this topic, I may be
struggling to maintain the<br>
balance and<br>
objectivity necessary to act as
chair on this matter. If<br>
anyone feels that<br>
the committee would be better
served by me standing aside for<br>
the<br>
remainder of the discussion and
voting on this matter, please<br>
say so and I<br>
will temporarily stand down.
When the committee reaches a<br>
conclusion on<br>
the motion and we have been
through the cycle of retirements<br>
and elections<br>
(presumably early 2017 after the
FOSS4G 2018 selection is<br>
completed), I<br>
suggest that the new committee
selects its chairman.<br>
<br>
I will be going off line from
the end of business today until<br>
Wednesday to<br>
celebrate the Jewish New Year.
If there is to be further<br>
discussion or<br>
voting initiated I hope that the
vote extends until I am back<br>
online.<br>
<br>
Shanah tovah u’metukah (may you
have a good and sweet year)<br>
<br>
______<br>
Steven<br>
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On 30 Sep 2016, at 07:43, Maria
Antonia Brovelli<br>
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[12]>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Steven<br>
Im also confused and demoralised
as well. The main problem in<br>
my opinion<br>
is the inactivity of this
commission (it could be also of<br>
other<br>
commissions, but Im not part of
other commissions). Im<br>
surprised about<br>
how the main problem is to find
an easy solution when the<br>
problem is why 9<br>
people didnt find the time (=
interest) of voting. Even if<br>
volunteers<br>
and, in my opinion, more as
volunteers we have to be
reliable<br>
people<br>
committed with our community.
Unfortunately Im not able to<br>
notice that<br>
attitude in the last voting. If
I have to tell you the truth,<br>
Im, above<br>
all, sad and surprise that for
the most of people this is a<br>
normal<br>
situation at which we have
simply to put a patch. Sorry for<br>
being so<br>
direct, obviously Im not
thinking of you, who have been
doing<br>
so much for<br>
this Committee ( thanks again)
or other people, but the<br>
situation is<br>
really and definitely different
with respect of that I<br>
thought to find in<br>
an OSGeo Committee. Good day to
everybody.<br>
Maria<br>
<br>
Inviato dal mio dispositivo
Samsung<br>
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Oggetto: Re: R: [OSGeo-Conf]
[Board] Amended MOTION (items<br>
1-5):<br>
Conference Committee - Updating
Membership Policies and<br>
Process<br>
<br>
Maria<br>
<br>
I am confused. I think you mean
that the amendment did not<br>
pass? Are you<br>
withdrawing your veto of the
original motion (which had<br>
support from a<br>
substantial majority of the
committee)?<br>
<br>
What do you mean by "Therefore
we will vote as in the past<br>
for the other<br>
items."? What other items? The
only voting rules we had in<br>
the past were<br>
the Committee Guidelines, which
were incorporated into the<br>
original<br>
motion. Can you clarify?<br>
<br>
Venka could you advise whether
your veto still stands<br>
following this vote<br>
on Marias amendment?<br>
<br>
This example of our decision
making process cannot be<br>
appropriate for a<br>
voluntary community. Please lets
bring this to a conclusion<br>
<br>
Steven<br>
<br>
On 29 Sep 2016, at 22:46, Maria
Antonia Brovelli<br>
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[20]>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Dear Steven<br>
The motion didnt pass.<br>
Therefore we will vote as in the
past for the other items.<br>
Many thanks.<br>
Best regards.<br>
Maria<br>
<br>
Inviato dal mio dispositivo
Samsung<br>
<br>
Venka said:<br>
<br>
Dear All,<br>
<br>
Sorry if this mail sounds a
little mixed-up as<br>
I am trying to answer multiple
points raised<br>
after the voting status on the
amended motion<br>
was declared.<br>
<br>
The way I look at the 25% quorum
threshold, suggested by Eli,<br>
is that it is close to the
"benevolent dictatorship"<br>
decision model. One of our
projects in incubation<br>
was asked to retire since the
lead developer proposed<br>
to adopt such a model for the
project PSC.<br>
<br>
Our Charter Member rules allow
for retiring<br>
members who have not voted over
a continuous period<br>
of two years. Since charter
members vote only for<br>
the board election, this means
that they are retired<br>
if they do not cast their one
vote (for Board election)<br>
in consecutive years.<br>
<br>
Considering the above, I suggest
that the Amended Motion<br>
for quorum be tabled for one
last time with a specific<br>
indication that members who have
not voted for<br>
the motion in two (or three)
consecutive rounds of voting<br>
will be considered as retired
and the votes by the<br>
members who participate in the
third round of voting<br>
would be considered valid.<br>
<br>
If we still have only 7 members
voting for the third round<br>
of voting, the majority votes
among the 7 could be<br>
used if the motion has passed or
not.<br>
<br>
Regarding the query from Steve
whether some of us would<br>
like reconsider our votes in the
initial round of voting,<br>
I think, that since the voting
results were already<br>
declared, it would be better to
decide with the third<br>
and final round of voting.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
Venka<br>
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