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<p>Dear Jody, dear Venka</p>
<p>sorry for my delay. I'm in Seoul committed with the UN Open GIS Meeting with few time and some jet lag effetcs.</p>
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<p>Below my points.</p>
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<p>As for the general question:</p>
<p>- we are going to discuss (we decided that) about OSGeo bylaws. I suggest we postpone also this discussion (President/Vice Presidents as Members of the Board) during the revision of the bylaws.</p>
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<p>As for now:</p>
<p>- As we have two Directors who were nominated, seconded and who accepted, I don't see the reason why we need to take members outside the Board. The Members of the
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current </span>Board were elected at the last elections. The votes they received were awarding their strong activity for and with the community. <span style="font-size: 12pt;">So, I really don't understand why we have to disregard the message derived from the
vote. People don't vote randomly. Their message is clear: Angelos received many votes for all he have been doing. I'm not saying that other people are worse, but the message from the Community is: we trust Angelos more than other people. So, please let me
know which is the reason why you want to do something different. I'm not against Dirk, I like him but, despite the fact he was one of the two previous Vice President, he received less votes than Angelos.</span></p>
<p>This is the reason why I'm favour of Angelos and Helena as next Vice Presidents.</p>
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<p>Regards, </p>
<p>Maria</p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>Da:</b> Board <board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org> per conto di Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@gmail.com><br>
<b>Inviato:</b> mercoledì 9 novembre 2016 01.05<br>
<b>A:</b> Venkatesh Raghavan<br>
<b>Cc:</b> board@lists.osgeo.org<br>
<b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [Board] resuming discussion on vice-presidents and officers</font>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks Venka, I felt bad after mailing that terse response - please forgive me.
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<div>I have sent a longer email trying to explore what we are looking at, I trust we can find a good balance.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 8 November 2016 at 15:51, Venkatesh Raghavan <span dir="ltr">
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Hi Jody,<span class=""><br>
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On 11/9/2016 8:26 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:<br>
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Venka, you have failed to acknowledge the reasons why Michael Smith and<br>
myself did not vote for MOT3 - and skipped straight ahead to other motions.<br>
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</span>I acknowledge that Mike and Jody voted disagreed for MOT3<br>
Mike felt that the President and Vice-President appointments<br>
could be open to persons with past experience in the OSGeo board.<br>
Jody expressed that President and Vice-President could be<br>
appointed from among our Charter members.<br>
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I came with the new motions in response to requests<br>
to come up alternative motions when disagreeing. It was not my<br>
intention of skipping ahead but only propose<br>
alternative motion while expressing my disagreement to<br>
a current motion.<span class=""><br>
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Please stop; respect others; and try and build consensus.<br>
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</span>I meant disrespect to the opinion of others and the mail<br>
below is a part of my effort to build consensus by<br>
proposing alternatives. You may kindly note that I have<br>
stated in the loomio thread that MOT8 and MOT9<br>
could be moved if there is no objection from others.<br>
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Best<br>
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Venka<br>
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On 8 November 2016 at 15:02, Venkatesh Raghavan <<br>
<a href="mailto:raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp" target="_blank">raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div class="h5">Dear All,<br>
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I am voting "disagreed" for the present MOT6 on loomio because;<br>
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a) I have already voted "agreed" for "MOT3: President and Vice-President<br>
be selecting<br>
from current board" and also explained my views in my earlier mail to this<br>
list [1].<br>
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b) I think the President and regional Vice-President should be able<br>
to vote on motions tabled at the board meetings. This is presently<br>
possible only for elected board members.<br>
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I am also for continuing our current practice of appointing our charter<br>
members<br>
(or external members, although there is no precedence for this) as<br>
Officers for other committee (marketing, incubation, SAC, Geo4All, UN,<br>
etc.)<br>
and software PSCs.<br>
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Current board members Helena, Angelos and Anita were nominated as regional<br>
Vice-President at our last board meeting. Anita had declined. Therefore,<br>
I would like to propose the following new motions.<br>
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MOT8: Helena to continue as regional Vice-President for the rest of<br>
her term as elected Board member. (Nominated by Venka and seconded by<br>
Maria at the board meenting held on 3 Nov. 2016)<br>
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MOT9: Appoint Angelos as our new regional Vice-President for the rest of<br>
his term as elected Board member. (Nominated by Venka and seconded by<br>
Maria at the board meeting held on 3 Nov. 2016 and also earlier on loomio)<br>
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Best<br>
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Venka<br>
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[1] <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2016-November/014703.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
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On 11/9/2016 3:56 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:<br>
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We have now exhausted the three proposals put forth in the IRC meeting.<br>
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I would like to resume discussion, asking all board members to listen now<br>
and compose a motion that that can be approved. In several cases the voting<br>
process is shutting down conversation at the expense of communication.<br>
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Please take a moment to read why each motion was rejected, and what you<br>
could do to open up communication with the parties that were forced to vote<br>
"no".<br>
--<br>
Jody Garnett<br>
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