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--></style></head><body lang=KO link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Dear Venka, </span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I agree with you and am really impressed with your full of consideration of dealing with this matter. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Cheers, </span></p><p class=MsoNormal>신상희 드림<span lang=EN-US> <br>---<br>Shin, Sanghee<br>Gaia3D, Inc. - The GeoSpatial Company<br>http://www.gaia3d.com </span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"굴림",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0cm'><b>보낸 사람<span lang=EN-US>: </span></b><span lang=EN-US><a href="mailto:raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp">Venkatesh Raghavan</a><br></span><b>보낸 날짜<span lang=EN-US>: </span></b><span lang=EN-US>2017</span>년<span lang=EN-US> 7</span>월<span lang=EN-US> 27</span>일 목요일 오후<span lang=EN-US> 10:59<br></span><b>받는 사람<span lang=EN-US>: </span></b><span lang=EN-US><a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com">Jody Garnett</a>; <a href="mailto:mgt@appgeo.com">Michael Terner</a><br></span><b>참조<span lang=EN-US>: </span></b><span lang=EN-US><a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org">OSGeo Board</a><br></span><b>제목<span lang=EN-US>: </span></b><span lang=EN-US>Re: [Board] Stolen computer</span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"굴림",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal align=left style='text-align:left;text-autospace:ideograph-numeric ideograph-other;word-break:keep-all'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"굴림",sans-serif'>Dear All,<br><br>Regarding the unfortunate theft of computer belonging to Nicolas and Niroshan<br>(and also some currency in case of Niroshan), I would like to express my sympathies<br>to Nicolas and Niroshan. <br><br>Niroshan is a student at my lab and the computer that he lost belongs to the university.<br>I will deal with this matter with my university authorities and take appropriate steps<br>to replace his computer with university funds.<br><br>For Nicolas, my good friend, the loss is even more heavy as the computer was his personal<br>one and contained months of his private work.<br><br>I deeply appreciate the kind gesture by Luca and others in requesting for Nicolas and Niroshan<br>to be compensated in some way for their loss. However, I think that OSGeo Board is in<br>no way responsible of such loss and feel that it would better not to set any precedence in<br>extending compensation for such unfortunate incidents, which I hope will never<br>occur in future.<br>The best OSGeo Foundation could do in their future events would be announce that while <br>the organizers take utmost case regarding the safety and security during the event, the organizers <br>are in no way responsible for loss/theft of personal property. Perhaps, organizers of future events <br>could think of providing cloak room facility for participants to officially handover personal belongings<br>for safe keep and receive a receipt for the same. Perhaps such facility could be nominally<br>charged.<br><br>Regarding the present incident, the information booklet of FOSS4G-Europe clearly states<br>on page 6 [1] "Insurance & Liability<br>Participants are adviced to provide their own <br>personal insurance. Neither the organisers nor In2Events will assume any responsability <br>whatsoever for damage and injury to persons or property during the conference.", so it<br>will not be appropriate to affix responsibility for the loss to organizers. It would have been<br>a different case if the items were missing from an official cloak room with Nicolas and Niroshan<br>having an official receipt for the items deposited for safe keeping.<br><br>In light of the above, I am fine of helping on a personal level and am even willing to make my<br>contribution to compensate for loss of Nicolas's computer and Niroshan's cash (I will<br>find a way with our university authorities to compensate for his computer). I do not think<br>that it is appropriate to involve the OSGeo board and request them to deal with this matter<br>at an official level and also feeling that board voting on this matter by the board is not necessary.<br><br>I, once again, would like to express my sympathies to Nicolas and Niroshan for the loss<br>of their items and the anguish they had to undergo as a result. I also thank all our community<br>members for coming forward with offers of help and also thinking about ways of compensating<br>their loss.<br><br>If we as a community can come up with a plan to try and compensate at a personal level, I will<br>be most willing to make my contribution.<br><br>Best<br><br>Venka <br><br><br>On 7/27/2017 10:05 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"굴림",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><span lang=EN-US>Cameron and Michael your words of caution are very much taken to heart.</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>Maria has started a motion here</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><a href="https://www.loomio.org/d/csZ2X8ap/stolen-computers-at-foss4g"><https://www.loomio.org/d/csZ2X8ap/stolen-computers-at-foss4g></a> and I am</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>copying my words to email for wider discussion:</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>*I am in favour of us helping assist in this case, but I understand their</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>is a series of groups, including the local organizing committee who would</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>like to help out. I would be the most comfortable with the local organizing</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>committee (or even the rented venue assisting.)*</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>*We have been cautioned about "setting a precedent" last time the board</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>acted in a generous fashion outside of our mission statement (since we are</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>responsible for our actions to our membership which elected us). In this</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>case the people effected individuals are both productive members of our</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>volunteering in an official capacity with our organization: one as a summer</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>of code student, and the second as a member of the marketing committee. I</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>believe our membership will understand why we are making this choice.*</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>*While it may be sad in the future if trouble befalls an attendees at one</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>of our events we do not wish to set a precedent or expectation for future</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>events to follow. We are taking action both out of compassion (this sucks)</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>and these individuals our volunteers in our organization we do not want our</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>membership to loose the benefits of their productivity (this sucks for</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>osgeo). This is in a similar spirit to the liability insurance we hold for</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>our board members and officers.*</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>And on the specifics:</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>*From the email thread it sounds like both computers are covered by</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>insurance, but not the full costs. There are two ways to understand this</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>email:*</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> - *For a $2500 computer, perhaps it was only insured for $2000 (often</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> this is fine as computers get older).*</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> - *Or perhaps it is a "deductible" - for example for a $2000 computer</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> there may be a $500 deductible needing to be paid. So while the insurance</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> covers everything, you are required to pay $500 to access the insurance.*</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>*I would be comfortable making a proposal making up to $2000 available to</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>the treasurer to assist with paying any insurance costs incurred while</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>replacing the stolen laptops. Subject to "prompt reimbursement" on receipt</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>(if paid for already) or invoice (if there is an email/bill that can be</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>sent to the treasurer to show the amount needed).*</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>This is the kind of discussion is difficult because we all have the "it</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>could of been me" response, and general annoyance this incident would</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>reflect poorly on our community (even though it is not our fault). It also</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>paints board members into a bit of a corner; because we do not wish to</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>appear mean / heartless / insensitive (cameron's all things to all people).</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>--</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>Jody Garnett</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>On 27 July 2017 at 04:16, Michael Terner <a href="mailto:mgt@appgeo.com"><mgt@appgeo.com></a> wrote:</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><span lang=EN-US>+ Conference Dev</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>Two very small points from the Boston perspective as these kinds of things</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>are on our mind, and we are seeking lessons learned to improve our event:</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> 1. Insurance can be expensive. We have an insurance policy that does</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> not cover things like lost/stolen items for attendees, but does cover</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> eventualities like needing to cancel the event due to catastrophe. The cost</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> of a policy covering lost/stolen events - at least for an event the size of</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> Boston - would have been significantly higher than the cost of replacing 2</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> laptops (and there is additional administrative time in setting it up).</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> 2. This incident also illustrates the need to have appropriate</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> physical security. We will be mindful to not leave our registration desk</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> without someone there; and to discourage people from leaving items in</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> places where there are not people actively watching. We also have access to</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> a couple of locked rooms where things can be stored and will encourage</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> their use to the extent possible.</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>We too regret the hassle, inconvenience and loss that Nick and Niroshan</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>experienced. As with all negative things, hopefully there is a silver</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>lining and this community can improve processes to reduce the risks of loss</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>at conferences...</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>MT</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:46 AM, Cameron Shorter <</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><span lang=EN-US>I'll let others comment on this particular thread. It is very sad to hear</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>of people having a computer stolen and noble to hear of people helping</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>those in need.</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>But on a general level, I suggest that OSGeo should be careful not to</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>become all things to all people. We should focus on what we are best at.</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>There are insurance companies designed to manage loss of items. For future</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>incidents of this type, lets make use of them rather than designing our own.</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>Cheers, Cameron (not a current board member, so my vote doesn't count)</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>On 27/7/17 12:21 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><span lang=EN-US>Thank you Luca for bringing this to everyone's attention. Indeed this</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>was a very unfortunate incident. I am a strong +1 to help Niroshan and</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>Nick in any costs not covered by insurance.</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>The day before this happened I also left my bag for a few hours behind</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>the registration desk; this could have happened to anyone.</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>This kind of thing has been at the back of my mind for a while now; how</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>lucky we have been for accidents at FOSS4G events. We travel to areas all</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>around the world, and anything can happen. Luckily Niroshan or Nick were</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>not hurt or injured.</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>It might be a good time to review the event insurance for our FOSS4G</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>events, and how it relates to unfortunate accidents like this. (and how we</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>would handle the cases if the attendee had no personal insurance, which</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>would have been my case - for example, maybe the OSGeo Board should set</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>aside a small block of funding in each yearly budget for this)</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>But my gut feeling is that was a small warning, as our FOSS4G event</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>grows in popularity, we must take care, to take care of our attendees.</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>I am very sorry for such a hassle to Niroshan and Nick, to their studies</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>and their work. I hope we can agree to make sure that they have to pay</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>nothing out of their own pockets to replace lost equipment; and also agree</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>to take this as a small lesson and review our own event policies.</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>-jeff</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre></blockquote><pre><span lang=EN-US>--</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>Cameron Shorter</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>M +61 419 142 254</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>_______________________________________________</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>Board mailing list</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><a href="mailto:Board@lists.osgeo.org">Board@lists.osgeo.org</a></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board</a></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre></blockquote><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>--</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>*Michael Terner*</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>*Executive Vice President*</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>617-447-2468 <(617)%20447-2468> Direct | 617-447-2400 <(617)%20447-2400></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>Main</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>Applied Geographics, Inc.</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>24 School Street, Suite 500</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>Boston, MA 02108</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><a href="http://www.AppGeo.com">www.AppGeo.com</a></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>This e-mail message and any attachments may contain confidential or</span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>legally privileged information. 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