<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Before doubting of people commitment and responsibility, I would ask myself if any reason (eg. August, vacation, traveling) block them from voting.. or anyone know something more to share?</div><div dir="auto">Not taking a decision is simpler with abstaining ;-)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Dear board non voting members, please could you give your the reason? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best</div><div dir="auto">Maxi</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">Il 03 ago 2017 10:51 PM, "Cameron Shorter" <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>OSGeo Board members,<br>
    </p>
    <p>I acknowledge that this was a difficult vote, but please don't
      use this as a reason not to vote.</p>
    <p>When you are volunteering to be a board member, the one thing one
      thing you are being asked to do is have an opinion and vote.
      Please take this responsibility seriously, and be prepared to vote
      on all motions, not just the easy and obvious motions.</p>
    <p>Warm regards, Cameron<br>
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    <div class="m_8759023106765689498moz-cite-prefix">On 4/8/17 2:10 am, Jody Garnett wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">This motion did not pass - sadly it did not pass
        because the board members disagreed; it did not pass because not
        enough board members responded to the motion. 
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        <div><a href="https://www.loomio.org/p/TA0rPawq/offer-financial-assistence-to-nick-and-niroshan-to-cover-insurance-costs-of-stolen-laptops-" target="_blank">https://www.loomio.org/p/<wbr>TA0rPawq/offer-financial-<wbr>assistence-to-nick-and-<wbr>niroshan-to-cover-insurance-<wbr>costs-of-stolen-laptops-</a></div>
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        <div>This is a non-result that does not set a precedent for
          future boards.<br>
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                  <div>--</div>
                  <div>Jody Garnett</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 27 July 2017 at 06:05, Jody Garnett
          <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Cameron and Michael your words of caution are
              very much taken to heart.
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              <div>Maria has started a motion <a href="https://www.loomio.org/d/csZ2X8ap/stolen-computers-at-foss4g" target="_blank">here</a> and I
                am copying my words to email for wider discussion:</div>
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                  <p><i>I am in favour of us helping
                      assist in this case, but I understand their is a
                      series of groups, including the local organizing
                      committee who would like to help out. I would be
                      the most comfortable with the local organizing
                      committee (or even the rented venue assisting.)</i></p>
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                  <p><i>We have been cautioned about
                      "setting a precedent" last time the board acted in
                      a generous fashion outside of our mission
                      statement (since we are responsible for our
                      actions to our membership which elected us). In
                      this case the people effected individuals are both
                      productive members of our volunteering in an
                      official capacity with our organization: one as a
                      summer of code student, and the second as a member
                      of the marketing committee. I believe our
                      membership will understand why we are making this
                      choice.</i></p>
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                  <p style="box-sizing:border-box;line-height:20px"><font face="Roboto, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif" color="#000000"><span style="letter-spacing:0.14000000059604645px"><i>While
                          it may be sad in the future if trouble befalls
                          an attendees at one of our events we do not
                          wish to set a precedent or expectation for
                          future events to follow. We are taking action
                          both out of compassion (this sucks) and these
                          individuals our volunteers in our organization
                          we do not want our membership to loose the
                          benefits of their productivity (this sucks for
                          osgeo). This is in a similar spirit to the
                          liability insurance we hold for our board
                          members and officers.</i></span></font><br>
                  </p>
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                <p>And on the specifics:</p>
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                  <p><i>From the email thread it sounds
                      like both computers are covered by insurance, but
                      not the full costs. There are two ways to
                      understand this email:</i></p>
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                <div>
                  <ul>
                    <li><i>For a $2500 computer, perhaps
                        it was only insured for $2000 (often this is
                        fine as computers get older).</i><br>
                    </li>
                    <li><i>Or perhaps it is a
                        "deductible" - for example for a $2000 computer
                        there may be a $500 deductible needing to be
                        paid. So while the insurance covers everything,
                        you are required to pay $500 to access the
                        insurance.</i><br>
                    </li>
                  </ul>
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                  <p><i>I would be comfortable making a
                      proposal making up to $2000 available to the
                      treasurer to assist with paying any insurance
                      costs incurred while replacing the stolen laptops.
                      Subject to "prompt reimbursement" on receipt (if
                      paid for already) or invoice (if there is an
                      email/bill that can be sent to the treasurer to
                      show the amount needed).</i></p>
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              This is the kind of discussion is difficult because we all
              have the "it could of been me" response, and general
              annoyance this incident would reflect poorly on our
              community (even though it is not our fault). It also
              paints board members into a bit of a corner; because we do
              not wish to appear mean / heartless / insensitive
              (cameron's all things to all people).</div>
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                        <div>--</div>
                        <div>Jody Garnett</div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On 27 July 2017 at 04:16,
                    Michael Terner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mgt@appgeo.com" target="_blank">mgt@appgeo.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">
                        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">+
                          Conference Dev</div>
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                        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Two very
                          small points from the Boston perspective as
                          these kinds of things are on our mind, and we
                          are seeking lessons learned to improve our
                          event:</div>
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                          <ol>
                            <li><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Insurance
                                can be expensive. We have an insurance
                                policy that does not cover things like
                                lost/stolen items for attendees, but
                                does cover eventualities like needing to
                                cancel the event due to catastrophe. The
                                cost of a policy covering lost/stolen
                                events - at least for an event the size
                                of Boston - would have been
                                significantly higher than the cost of
                                replacing 2 laptops (and there is
                                additional administrative time in
                                setting it up).</font></li>
                            <li><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">This
                                incident also illustrates the need to
                                have appropriate physical security. We
                                will be mindful to not leave our
                                registration desk without someone there;
                                and to discourage people from leaving
                                items in places where there are not
                                people actively watching. We also have
                                access to a couple of locked rooms where
                                things can be stored and will encourage
                                their use to the extent possible.</font></li>
                          </ol>
                          <div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">We too
                              regret the hassle, inconvenience and loss
                              that Nick and Niroshan experienced. As
                              with all negative things, hopefully there
                              is a silver lining and this community can
                              improve processes to reduce the risks of
                              loss at conferences...</font></div>
                          <div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br>
                            </font></div>
                          <div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">MT</font></div>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 27,
                              2017 at 4:46 AM, Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I'll let
                                others comment on this particular
                                thread. It is very sad to hear of people
                                having a computer stolen and noble to
                                hear of people helping those in need.<br>
                                <br>
                                But on a general level, I suggest that
                                OSGeo should be careful not to become
                                all things to all people. We should
                                focus on what we are best at. There are
                                insurance companies designed to manage
                                loss of items. For future incidents of
                                this type, lets make use of them rather
                                than designing our own.<br>
                                <br>
                                Cheers, Cameron (not a current board
                                member, so my vote doesn't count)<span class="m_8759023106765689498m_-1853916862212496160m_1536425776289808933im
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                                  <br>
                                  On 27/7/17 12:21 am, Jeff McKenna
                                  wrote:<br>
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                                    Thank you Luca for bringing this to
                                    everyone's attention.  Indeed this
                                    was a very unfortunate incident.  I
                                    am a strong +1 to help Niroshan and
                                    Nick in any costs not covered by
                                    insurance.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    The day before this happened I also
                                    left my bag for a few hours behind
                                    the registration desk; this could
                                    have happened to anyone.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    This kind of thing has been at the
                                    back of my mind for a while now; how
                                    lucky we have been for accidents at
                                    FOSS4G events.  We travel to areas
                                    all around the world, and anything
                                    can happen. Luckily Niroshan or Nick
                                    were not hurt or injured.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    It might be a good time to review
                                    the event insurance for our FOSS4G
                                    events, and how it relates to
                                    unfortunate accidents like this. 
                                    (and how we would handle the cases
                                    if the attendee had no personal
                                    insurance, which would have been my
                                    case - for example, maybe the OSGeo
                                    Board should set aside a small block
                                    of funding in each yearly budget for
                                    this)<br>
                                    <br>
                                    But my gut feeling is that was a
                                    small warning, as our FOSS4G event
                                    grows in popularity, we must take
                                    care, to take care of our attendees.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    I am very sorry for such a hassle to
                                    Niroshan and Nick, to their studies
                                    and their work.  I hope we can agree
                                    to make sure that they have to pay
                                    nothing out of their own pockets to
                                    replace lost equipment; and also
                                    agree to take this as a small lesson
                                    and review our own event policies.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    -jeff<br>
                                    <br>
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