I understand, I sent an inappropriate response yesterday (no need to repeat) - I appreciate the reminder to stay focused on being a team player. <br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 8:04 AM Vasile Craciunescu <<a href="mailto:vasile.craciunescu@gmail.com">vasile.craciunescu@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Hey Jody,</div><div id="m_-2600233436912312201AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-2600233436912312201AppleMailSignature">It was not about your private message to the board. That was totally fine. I was refering only to our public messages.</div><div id="m_-2600233436912312201AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-2600233436912312201AppleMailSignature">Best,</div><div id="m_-2600233436912312201AppleMailSignature">Vasile<br><br>Sent from my mobile device</div></div><div dir="auto"><div><br>On 3 Nov 2017, at 16:54, Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div dir="auto">You are of course correct Vasile; I apologize for getting off topic it was inappropriate.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 4:04 PM Vasile Craciunescu <<a href="mailto:vasile@geo-spatial.org" target="_blank">vasile@geo-spatial.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear colleagues of OSGeo board of directors,<br>
<br>
As I already mention in on one of my last CRO messages, in our public<br>
communication, logic, facts and careful planing should prevail over our<br>
emotions. Of course, the way we are feeling about open source geospatial<br>
is the driving force of our involvement in OSGeo's board. However, our<br>
public message/image should be a professional one. I don't suggest a<br>
corporate attitude, I would like to just make everyone aware that our<br>
entirely "world" is looking and us, expecting a balanced and<br>
inspirational attitude. We should be careful to be open and inclusive<br>
enough not to offend any flavor of our community members (of course,<br>
those members that are also embrace our values). Somehow, we are not<br>
there, even if it's in our mandate to behave this way. Everyone from the<br>
community already knows that we accepted the director role because we<br>
truly believe in FOSS values and our work and vision was awarded by<br>
being voted in this position. We don't have to to repeat indefinitely<br>
how great we and our ideas/values are (as individuals or as a<br>
community). By doing so we will only dilute our message. We already know<br>
that we are doing the right thing and we should have an well-balanced<br>
message and attitude in order to convince others to join. Also, please<br>
let's focus more on getting back the trust back in our community by<br>
acting in a coherent and professional way (simple words are not enough).<br>
By doing so we will also close the gaps that are currently dividing our<br>
community.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Vasile<br>
<br>
PS. This is not necessarily a response to the current thread. I know<br>
that everyone involved acted in total good will. My original intention<br>
was to send this message through board-priv mailing list. Anyway, I<br>
decided to send this through the public board list as is something not<br>
really related to the current situation/board.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 11/2/17 10:50 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:<br>
> Hi Barend,<br>
><br>
> I take the blame here, it was an idea I had, shared without background<br>
> research and explanation. Many are pointing out that I was very wrong.<br>
> I am sorry. I am trying to propose a way forward for the leadership of<br>
> the foundation, openly. Others are right, the Board will need to decide.<br>
><br>
> But my words do have meaning, for me, to both Helena and Venka, who I<br>
> have the utmost respect for, as leaders. I believe they can help bring<br>
> the leadership needed for the OSGeo community.<br>
><br>
> -jeff<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 2017-11-02 5:25 PM, <a href="mailto:b.j.kobben@utwente.nl" target="_blank">b.j.kobben@utwente.nl</a> wrote:<br>
>> Can someone PLEASE explain these messages? It's hard enough to follow<br>
>> what goes on as a charter member, but if even following all messages<br>
>> on <board> and <discuss> leaves us with apparent huge gaps in what<br>
>> goes on, it becomes impossible...<br>
>><br>
>> I understood that Venka was not re-elected, so how can he be asked to<br>
>> be President (together with Helena or not)....?<br>
>><br>
>> yours, utterly confused,<br>
>> --<br>
>> Barend Köbben<br>
>><br>
>> On 02/11/2017, 20:21, "Board on behalf of Jody Garnett"<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a> on behalf of <a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I understand Jeff, I have a slight different vision for the board<br>
>> - focused on enabling our participants and committees, rather than<br>
>> asking the board to assume so much activity.<br>
>> This is why we have a diverse board, discussion, and reach a<br>
>> direction together.<br>
>> --<br>
>> Jody Garnett<br>
>> On 2 November 2017 at 12:17, Jeff McKenna<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com" target="_blank">jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Hi all,<br>
>> This is a message asking Venka to attend the next meeting, and an<br>
>> idea I have to have both Helena and Venka lead OSGeo. It is me being<br>
>> kind and respectful, speaking from the heart. This is not an attack<br>
>> against anyone. We can of course all decide what is<br>
>> best as a Board at the next meeting. This was meant as a nice<br>
>> kind message to propose a way forward for the foundation. There have<br>
>> been lots of messages against me, so many negative messages out there<br>
>> archived, I am just trying to share what I have been<br>
>> thinking and being very positive. I think it's ok to talk about<br>
>> the leadership of the foundation openly and in a positive way. And<br>
>> what a better way than to have an executive board of 4, share the<br>
>> workload (2 presidents and 2 VPs). I of course have much<br>
>> experience in this, and I feel that this idea would be very<br>
>> helpful, the sharing of the work. I was just being respectful to<br>
>> Venka, his leadership, and all of the great work that Helena has done<br>
>> behind the scenes, and putting an idea out there to help lead<br>
>> the foundation. I think this is a nice way forward for the<br>
>> foundation, I have no other motive. I am sorry if this message was<br>
>> misinterpreted. -jeff<br>
>> On 2017-11-02 3:05 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:<br>
>> Dear Venka-sensei,<br>
>> Today during the OSGeo Board meeting, Angelos and I vocally<br>
>> proposed you remain as the OSGeo President (to be honest, I proposed a<br>
>> dual presidency of both you and Helena). I think this is a magical team.<br>
>> I formally request that you attend the next OSGeo Board meeting,<br>
>> as the OSGeo President (even if you cannot attend, you will still be<br>
>> the OSGeo President). But I think attending can help.<br>
>> I would very much like to see OSGeo's first dual presidency of<br>
>> Helena and you in place. (let's leave the bylaws aside for a second,<br>
>> and this is me proposing this to you)<br>
>> Thank you Venka for your leadership. (I had suggested this to<br>
>> Helena during the meeting) Thank you also Helena for your continued<br>
>> great leadership. You both have my utmost respect. I thought about<br>
>> this all of last night.<br>
>> With all my love, passion, life, energy, heart, career, ability<br>
>> to earn a living, willingness to help others through even the worst<br>
>> attacks and criticisms, willingness to take one for the team,<br>
>> willingness to fall down even in front of thousands, willing to<br>
>> just try, I am forever yours OSGeo,<br>
>> -Jeff McKenna<br>
>> Family.<br>
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