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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>My issue is not that Even shouldn't be given the freedom to manage his project the way he wants. Of course he should.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The point is that <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>He is limited because he is under the OSGEO Project infrastructure on Github. If he were on his own project space, like PostGIS or QGIS (or Geos used to be), he wouldn't be limited by the 5 worker limit. I fail to see what benefit this Org is doing us when several of aour key projects aren't even on it (e.g. QGIS, GRASS, PostGIS) and even if they are what is the point, people should be lured to the osgeo website, not github.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>$5000 or more a year I fair is eventually what you'd need to pay as more projects get added to the GitHub Org<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> this <a href="https://github.com/OSGeo/">https://github.com/OSGeo/</a> the pricier it gets and plus you need to be committed to offer this every year.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>-- this extracted from Even's note for those who are not aware<o:p></o:p></span></p><pre style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>number of 5 concurrent jobs per organization <o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>b.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I contacted Travis-CI support and they gave me a quote to increase the number of concurrent <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>c.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>jobs :<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>d.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>10 concurrent jobs: $1925/year<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>e.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>15 concurrent jobs: $3850/year<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>f.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>20 concurrent jobs: $5775/year<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>g.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>(taking into account a 30% discount for non-profit organizations).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I think with $5000, that's almost the size of the osgeo budget for hardware. I think of all the good we could do with $5000/yr and something that could help all projects not just things hosted on GitHub.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Like building up our own CI infrastructure that would test more than just Ubuntu.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>And what about AppVeryor. How much are you going to have to pay for that? Is it under the same core limitations or will you have to shell out an additional $5000/yr for that?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>So my main concern is that this takes away money from other worthy causes and can be easily ameliorated by projects not falling under the Github OSGeo org, and the github/OsGeo org just listing projects and related repos.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Might I reiterate I find it self-defeating that we have a GitHub Org and projects like QGIS, GRASS, or PostGIS aren't even represented on it. The list looks cluttered hard to follow and would be better served with a plain old list.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Regina<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Board [mailto:board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tim Sutton<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 23, 2018 10:27 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jeffrey Johnson <ortelius@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> osgeo-board List <board@lists.osgeo.org>; Sandro Santilli <strk@kbt.io><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Board] Travis-CI & OSGeo<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Hi<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On 23 Apr 2018, at 16:14, Jeffrey Johnson <<a href="mailto:ortelius@gmail.com">ortelius@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>How bout we just use what the folks writing the code want to use<br>rather than being so militant about things?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>+1…as project leader for GDAL, Even should be given the freedom to manage his project infrastructure in a way that is comfortable for him….I think it is an overreach to require him to retool his entire workflow.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Tim<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><br>On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 7:13 AM, María Arias de Reyna <<a href="mailto:delawen@gmail.com">delawen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Sandro Santilli <<a href="mailto:strk@kbt.io">strk@kbt.io</a>> wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 05:46:12PM -0400, Michael Smith wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I don’t see any reason why we wouldn’t want to provide this for OSGeo projects.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><br>I do: we'd be an OpenSource Software Foundation paying a ClosedSource<br>Software Company to keep being successful in their business model.<br><br>Compare that to giving money to community members willing to provide<br>build agents to the existing OSGeo build infrastructure (<a href="http://drone.osgeo.org">drone.osgeo.org</a>).<br><br>See <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Drone">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Drone</a><br><br>Me and Regina are currently the only ones providing build agents.<br><br>Or also, compare that to paying the external service to someone<br>who puts the service code out there as open source, for example<br>Drone developer himself ( <a href="https://drone.io/pricing/">https://drone.io/pricing/</a> ) or gitlab<br>people ( <a href="https://about.gitlab.com/pricing/">https://about.gitlab.com/pricing/</a> ).<br><br>Or also, to paying sysadmin teams to build these things in-house.<br><br>What's been asked here is to pay for what is really just marketing:<br>showing that "OSGeo has a good presence on GitHub", as if doing so<br>makes it a _serious_ OpenSource player. This is surrendering to<br>GitHub marketing stating "where software is built!". Are we paying<br>to be marketing agents ?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><br>You make a good point. Should we reinforce Gitlab then and try to find<br>a similar service for our projects? How will moving to Gitlab impact<br>our projects?<br>_______________________________________________<br>Board mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Board@lists.osgeo.org">Board@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>_______________________________________________<br>Board mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Board@lists.osgeo.org">Board@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>—<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><br><img border=0 width=150 height=118 id="_x0037_86E68AE-06E0-4E16-94D4-63C96D55398E" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D3DAEF.82126980"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Tim Sutton</span></b><span 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