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All the other projects I can think of pgRouting, GRASS, QGIS, MapServer, and PostGIS all have their own org so are not suffering from not having enough workers. GEOS is on OSGeo Org – but we'd be happy to move GEOS off of OSGeo org, cause it's just a mirror anyway. Then again GEOS is not as busy as GDAL so probably not hogging any workers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I think Sandro and Even have already started taking steps to setup a GDAL gitlab repo so that GitLab-CI tests can be done on gitlab for GDAL.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Sandro/Even correct me if I misspoke.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> * Some of us are not keen to give money to private infrastructure if there is an open source solution (Gitlab CI, Jenkins) and prefer to support open source even outside OSGeo<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Correct. I'd be willing to put in a fair amount of sweat labor to make this happen, because for my needs I find travis is not enough and too limiting in what I can do with it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> * Moving from Github to Gitlab will be a drawback to the projects (part of the community will be left behind and lost). So, not an option ¿¿for short term??.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>That is not true. Mirroring from Github/Gitlab is trivial. PostGIS already does it and enjoys travis, gitlab ci, dronie, and Jenkins.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>So the only difficult part is setting up an image and a gitlab-ci.yml file which is a little different from travis ci.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>For reference you can look at the ones PostGIS has<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="https://git.osgeo.org/gitea/postgis/postgis/src/branch/svn-trunk/.gitlab-ci.yml">https://git.osgeo.org/gitea/postgis/postgis/src/branch/svn-trunk/.gitlab-ci.yml</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="https://git.osgeo.org/gitea/postgis/postgis/src/branch/svn-trunk/.travis.yml">https://git.osgeo.org/gitea/postgis/postgis/src/branch/svn-trunk/.travis.yml</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Jenkins is probably a little harder to get going but it too has a yml like script a Jenkins – ci can listen for and use.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'> * We could add a Jenkins from OSGeo that <span style='color:#1F497D'>can take</span> care of what Travis is doing right now. Advantage: we will have no restrictions. Disadvantage: ¿¿Integration on github??<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Jenkins can integrate with github fine as it's pretty agnostic and has a ton of plugins for github integration, such as the github issues plugin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="https://wiki.jenkins.io/display/JENKINS/GitHub+Issues+Plugin">https://wiki.jenkins.io/display/JENKINS/GitHub+Issues+Plugin</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I haven't explored all those features yet, on the Jenkins side I just use scripts stored in the repo of PostGIS / pgRouting <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="https://git.osgeo.org/gitea/postgis/postgis/src/branch/svn-trunk/ci">https://git.osgeo.org/gitea/postgis/postgis/src/branch/svn-trunk/ci</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="https://github.com/pgRouting/pgrouting/tree/master/ci">https://github.com/pgRouting/pgrouting/tree/master/ci</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>which for example for windows, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>does experimental builds for windows users to test and for the debian tests against the head of all the PostgreSQL versions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>And also has slaves for testing freebsd and so forth - <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>So much of the frustration with bots (travis included) is just dealing with them when they wet their pants or someone spills water on them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Like those inconvenient times when travis decides to up the OS or you or the repo you are relying on is broken.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Did I miss something here?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>So, our best options look like: <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <span style='color:#1F497D'>> </span>* Having the Jenkins that replaces Travis<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I think people will still want to have Travis around since it's free machines and the easiest to set up. With Jenkins we'd be using our own hardware or have to have people slave their machines.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>But it would be easier to configure to push things to Project websites.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Think OSGeoLive having docs built and pushed to OSGeoLive website at any change.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>That's one job Jenkins does for us on PostGIS side, updating the docs at every commit and pushing them to the website.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>> </span> * Pay Travis more<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>And to decide we need to know:<br> * Is having a Jenkins really an option here? Or something will be missing?<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Again I don't think it should be an either / or. Each has their strengths and weaknesses.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>E.g. appveyor tests windows, Travis doesn't. Jenkins can test any OS you add as a slave or be in standalone mode.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Only thing that is not clear to me if having one Jenkins is sufficient. I don't think it will be. But we can at the very least have a formulaic setup<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>And images ready should people want to use it and configure for their own needs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Travis CI and Gitlab CI are probably the most interchangeable with Gitlab you can pay or host your own, but there is a bit of work translating your travis script to gitlab.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Travis is the free-tier or pay of which both are closed source solutions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><br> <span style='color:#1F497D'>> </span>* Will it be cheaper? <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>It will definitely not be cheaper in terms of labor , but will provide more flexibility, I would focus on where that flexibility is needed first.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I think you can coax travis to do things like pushing artifacts to websites like binary builds but not as straightforward as it is with Jenkins. I could be mistaken since I know a bit more about Jenkins than Travis.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I'm sure Hobu will correct my ignorance and rave about all the goodness of Travis </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Regina<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>