<div dir="auto"><div>Cameron I don't agree. <div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto">Silently leaving a community for lack of time or personal changed interest or disagreement is not the same that leaving because threaten and not being protected from the community and publicly declare it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This call with no doubts or excuses to prompt action, full stop.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Maxi</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Il giorno ven 7 dic 2018, 21:26 Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Sarah, thank you for sharing. I find it very sad when people
      leave a community because of fractures within that community. I'm
      sorry to see you leave. At some point I want to collate my
      thoughts related to community and diversity in an essay. I'm
      struggling to prioritise enough time to do the topic justice.</p>
    <p>Maxi, while Sarah has very kindly let us know that she is leaving
      our community, and explained why, I strongly suspect many more
      people have silently left. I feel the number of people emailing
      our discuss email list has dropped, and I suspect that
      confrontational emails have contributed to that. (I've
      deliberately limited the CC list to the osgeo board, in line with
      Sarah's original email). Writing or improving a Code of Conduct is
      a significant undertaking and can be emotionally draining, as
      there are often very strong opinions needing to be considered, and
      there is a track record of people involved being personally
      attacked. I'd suggest such an undertaking is beyond the scope of
      being a volunteer board member, although board members would be
      welcomed within a Code of Conduct committee. You might also want
      to volunteer your time to contribute toward a Code of Conduct
      committee?</p>
    <p>Maria, I applaud your commitment toward wanting to improve our
      Code of Conduct. I was on the FOSS4G-Oceania committee and am
      happy to facilitate insight into our initiatives into diversity if
      interested. Re your statement "things are being done to PREVENT
      ..."  While I'd love to "prevent" Code-Of-Conduct violations, I
      think the best we can do is "reduce" and "mitigate the impacts".
      Us humans are beautifully complicated and flawed and we don't
      always get things right.</p>
    <p>Steven Feldman summarised this well in a FOSS4G presentation on
      Diversity:<br>
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    <p>Warm regards, Cameron<br>
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    <div class="m_-2368130466603227504moz-cite-prefix">On 8/12/18 12:15 am, Massimiliano
      Cannata wrote:<br>
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        <div>Astrid,
          <div dir="auto">I have never intended to insinuate that. I
            consider you an excellent person, and please excuse me if
            this was your feeling.</div>
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          <div dir="auto">I just wanted to point out that this fact
            requires to be appropriately addressed, and since a long
            time already passed without any feedback, I have the
            impression that it could have just been let flown away...</div>
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          <div dir="auto">Looking forward for the board to promptly
            addresse the case and act.</div>
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          <div dir="auto">Maxi</div>
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            <div dir="ltr">Il giorno ven 7 dic 2018, 13:05 Astrid Emde
              (OSGeo) <<a href="mailto:astrid_emde@osgeo.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">astrid_emde@osgeo.org</a>>
              ha scritto:<br>
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            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Maxi,<br>
              <br>
              my mail was only technical and I also noticed it when I
              wrote it that I <br>
              did not say anything about the case.<br>
              <br>
              Sara wrote : "...so I'm revisiting this request: please
              change my <br>
              Charter membership status to "retired".  ...  cc'd
              board@lists to help <br>
              facilitate the request."<br>
              <br>
              And this was the only thing I focussed on with my answer.
              It was not my <br>
              intention to be insensitive or ignorant.<br>
              <br>
              Sure we - board - still should discuss the case. It is
              topic for the <br>
              next board meeting.<br>
              <br>
              Regards,<br>
              <br>
              Astrid<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              Am 07.12.2018 09:26 schrieb Massimiliano Cannata:<br>
              > Dear Astrid,<br>
              > I think that this request of withdraw together with
              the public accuses<br>
              > it expresses cannot be simply resolved with a wiki
              page modification.<br>
              > <br>
              > This call the OSGeo code of conduct committee and the
              board in its<br>
              > highest function of guarantor of the community to
              address the accuses<br>
              > and take public position with an official
              communication.<br>
              > <br>
              > Whether the accuses are true or not I believe this
              situation is<br>
              > negatively impacting our community brand and trust.<br>
              > <br>
              > This fact cannot pass over silence anymore and
              therefore I publicly<br>
              > call the board to urgently express and take a
              position on this.<br>
              > <br>
              > Let's see if this mail worth a response...<br>
              > <br>
              > Regards<br>
              > Maxi<br>
              > <br>
              > Il giorno ven 7 dic 2018, 07:56 Astrid Emde (OSGeo)<br>
              > <<a href="mailto:astrid_emde@osgeo.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">astrid_emde@osgeo.org</a>> ha
              scritto:<br>
              > <br>
              >> Hello Sara,<br>
              >> <br>
              >> thanls for your email and sorry, that it took a
              while to work on<br>
              >> your<br>
              >> request.<br>
              >> <br>
              >> You are now listed as retired OSGeo Charter
              Member at<br>
              >> <br>
              >> <a href="https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/</a>
              [1]<br>
              >> <br>
              >> I also edited your User page in the wiki and
              deleted Charter<br>
              >> member:<br>
              >> <br>
              >> <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Sarasafavi" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Sarasafavi</a>
              [2]<br>
              >> <br>
              >> If you would like to change more content on your
              charter member<br>
              >> page you<br>
              >> can do so.<br>
              >> <br>
              >> All the best Astrid<br>
              >> <br>
              >> ---<br>
              >> <br>
              >>
              -------------------------------------------------------------<br>
              >> Astrid Emde<br>
              >> OSGeo Board Member and OSGeo Secretary<br>
              >> Open Source Geospatial Foundation<br>
              >> <a href="https://www.osgeo.org/member/astrid-emde/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.osgeo.org/member/astrid-emde/</a>
              [3]<br>
              >> <a href="mailto:astrid_emde@osgeo.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">astrid_emde@osgeo.org</a><br>
              >> <br>
              >> Am 04.12.2018 16:54 schrieb Sara:<br>
              >>> Board elections have come & gone and so
              I'm revisiting this<br>
              >> request:<br>
              >>> please change my Charter membership status to
              "retired".<br>
              >>> <br>
              >>> Astrid - I've been told you have the ability
              to modify any<br>
              >> relevant<br>
              >>> "master lists". If this isn't true please
              feel free to forward<br>
              >> this to<br>
              >>> the right person.<br>
              >>> <br>
              >>> Vicky - similarly, I understand you have the
              ability to edit the<br>
              >> web<br>
              >>> content at <a href="http://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/</a>
              [4] [1]. If<br>
              >> that's not<br>
              >>> correct either, please feel free to forward
              as needed.<br>
              >>> <br>
              >>> cc'd board@lists to help facilitate the
              request.<br>
              >>> <br>
              >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>
              >>> From: SARA <<a href="mailto:sara@sarasafavi.com" rel="noreferrer
                noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">sara@sarasafavi.com</a>><br>
              >>> Date: Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:00 PM<br>
              >>> Subject: How to retire membership status?<br>
              >>> To: OSGeo Discussions <<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org" rel="noreferrer
                noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
              >>> <br>
              >>> Hello community,<br>
              >>> <br>
              >>> Can someone point me at the relevant
              documentation re: retiring<br>
              >>> current membership status? Specifically,
              related to Charter<br>
              >>> membership.<br>
              >>> <br>
              >>> I understand the processes to nominate &
              add new charter members<br>
              >> but<br>
              >>> not clear on how current charter members can
              retire.<br>
              >>> <br>
              >>> To put it another way: how to edit<br>
              >>> <a href="https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/</a>
              [1] [2]?<br>
              >>> <br>
              >>> Thanks,<br>
              >>> Sara Safavi<br>
              >>> <br>
              >>> Links:<br>
              >>> ------<br>
              >>> [1] <a href="http://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/</a>
              [4]<br>
              >>> [2] <a href="https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/</a>
              [1]<br>
              >> _______________________________________________<br>
              >> Board mailing list<br>
              >> <a href="mailto:Board@lists.osgeo.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">Board@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
              >> <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board</a>
              [5]<br>
              > <br>
              > <br>
              > Links:<br>
              > ------<br>
              > [1] <a href="https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/</a><br>
              > [2] <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Sarasafavi" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Sarasafavi</a><br>
              > [3] <a href="https://www.osgeo.org/member/astrid-emde/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.osgeo.org/member/astrid-emde/</a><br>
              > [4] <a href="http://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/</a><br>
              > [5] <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board</a><br>
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