<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 6:03 PM Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I don't remember asking the incubation committee...</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">If you have the link to that mail I would appreciate<br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sure, I passed your request on to the incubation committee here: <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/incubator/2018-July/003658.html" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/incubator/2018-July/003658.html</a></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">You passed the request I made to the budget committee, I didn't mail it to incbator<br></div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div>And a similar one in response to the zoo-project: <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/incubator/2018-July/003631.html" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/incubator/2018-July/003631.html</a></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">You passed the request Gerald made probably to the budget committee, He didn't mail it to incubator</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div>One reason to ask the board to handle this in 2019 is that the board can respond quickly, the incubation committee voting takes two weeks (to give everyone a chance to respond via email).</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">So Q2</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Does that mean that community projects, like pgRouting or ZOO-Project, long time participants on GSoC under the</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">umbrella of OSGeo can apply as independent organizations on GSoC to get some budget without the need of asking incubator?</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> ($500 per student)<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There are two ways for me to read your sentence, I am not quite sure I understand your question :(</div><div> </div><div>"without the need of asking incubation committee"</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Well, I thought budget was handled by budget committee and it seems you want to change that some part of the budget is to be handled by incubator committee (for the community projects).</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>If the board accepts responsibility then these projects can ask the board (and the board needs to have a clue when they set the 2019 budget).</div><div>If the board does not accept responsibility then the incubation committee can continue to take responsibility (and needs to have a clue when asking for a 2019 budget)</div><div>Ideally ZOO-Project can graduate and operate independently next year (with their own committee and officer). <br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Ideally that could happen to pgRouting also</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div>"apply as independent organization on GSOC"</div><div>I don't think I understand the GSoC question - that is a program OSGeo applies for each year? Internally we treat that as an initiative (no committee, no project officer, no budget - but could ask board to spend money on its behalf). I think GSoC would look at the legal entity (OSGeo in this case) when determining what is an "organization" ?</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Yeah, as we are not part of GSoC, maybe its probable that an independent project can be accepted as an organization</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>"get some budget"</div><div>The only way to participate in the OSGeo budget planning is through a committee (the board is one such committee, as is marketing, incubation, and each osgeo project). If you look to the top of the thread I was considering which committee should be responsible for community projects once they have been accepted.</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Yes, maybe I used the wrong word: get funds</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Can be by donations, or by participating in programs like GSoC, or request some budget to OSGeo<br></span></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div>This is a really good discussion Vicky, although I am providing quick answers to be succinct, this is a discussion and we have the ability to modify the osgeo community program over time to meet our needs.</div><div><br></div><div>We have a little less flexibility with budget, officers and committees - but we can always get things done.</div><div><br></div><div><i>For example the "GSOC Initiative" could advise the 2019 budget (with $500 per student and 16 students 8000 ). When time came a member of the GSOC Inititive would attend a board meeting, make a motion for the board. If it was something that was going to happen each year i would encourage a GSOC committee to form so they can operate independently from the board, but if it is only one motion a year it may not be worthwhile eh?</i></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">GSoC (Google Summer of Code) depends on google, we (OSGeo) depend on being accepted to participate there.</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">If we are not accepted, then there is no program for us.</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">But many other organizations and individual projects also have the chance to participate. <br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">Google decides who, not us.</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">Any way, please consider that community projects have the option to look for funds somewhere else.</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">when you make your proposals</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">Regards</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">Vicky<br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><pre>Georepublic UG (haftungsbeschränkt)
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